Trump has attacked Iran

Goodness knows where this is leading. Iran has very few options. It has few official powerful allies, doesn't have the military power of Israel/US combined and is in many ways a pariah state, so there won't be a rush to sympathise. Ironically, the country has been in the process of slow progress towards less authoritarianism, but this attack will probably halt that. The current President of Iran, Masoud Pezeshkian, is actually relatively reformist. Iran has every reason to hate the US, so it might very well turn towards Russia or China. If those two countries get involved, we really should be afraid.

Iranians are proud. They're not going to roll over and give in without a whimper. It doesn't take much to Google the history of Persia and to understand that it once had an empire and its culture goes back thousands of years. This could end up in a war of attrition, which will result in many lost lives and no clear winner. It could also involve more countries.

Can you imagine a Middle Eastern country bombing the USA because they see Trump as a threat to their regime, ad because they want a change in Leadership?

AGAA4

There has to be some financial gain for Trump out of this attack. He only acts to benefit himself.
It's naive to think he has done this for Israel.

So it would seem.

I heard an interesting phone in from an Iranian man today. He doesn't support his current government but said that every time there was a change of regime in Iran, someone gained financially. Trump is very busy sending his family to various countries where he does the tariff deal and they do the real estate one, so you could well be correct AGAA4.

MayBee70

Oreo

Yes. Blair had to take a decision based on information at the time.Nobody can act in ‘retrospect’.

I, personally don’t blame Blair for Iraq because I believe he acted in good faith. I also think that he now bitterly regrets it and that we should have learned a lesson about following America. If only we were still part of a larger organisation and didn’t have to offer up our opinions on such things unilaterally.

Of course he knew it was an exaggeration, if not downright lies. .

How lovely you are kissngate.

That doesn’t mean we should never help the US ever again.

If we haven't learned from Iraq then God help us. No we shouldn't help the US ever again. Its a big boy now with a president who has dropped his allegiance to Europe. Let America get on with it. It has the military power to do what it likes in Iran. The UK needs to look to its own security now and there is no guarantee that America would play any part in helping us to do that.

It doesn't help that Trumps eldest daughter married into a Jewish family. No doubt having his ear bent by Jewish Son-in-law and family.

Trump Towers in Tehran with sister hotel in Gaza

There has to be some financial gain for Trump out of this attack. He only acts to benefit himself.
It's naive to think he has done this for Israel.

I believe in a ‘ if you want peace prepare for war’ approach, ever since my CND days when I realised that a lot of my beliefs were based on fear ( I still supported multilateral disarmament, though). But I don’t believe bombing Iran with no prior consultation with other countries that will be affected is the right way to go about things. If another country wants a show of strength they’re more likely to bomb a small island like the UK than anywhere else; it won’t be America that’s attacked. We’re just the buffer zone. Imo everything that’s happened recently is purely to protect Netanyahu, not Israel . No wonder he’s so pleased about what happened last night.

I didn't sign petition because its press related. If it had been an official Govt one asking them to not support Trump in any way whatsoever in the Iran and Israeli conflicts then I would.

Please sign the petition and write to your MP- never been a better time to do so.

Highly likely the Cobra meeting will be about our participation in all this. No doubt Trump has asked to use our bases, possibly re-fuelling aircraft and other support. Starmer doesn't have the guts to turn him down and we will get dragged in.

Whitewavemark2

How about making the Middle East a nuclear free zone. Then everyone would be equal.

Think we’re past that 😢

Whitewavemark2

How about making the Middle East a nuclear free zone. Then everyone would be equal.

Surey as long as the 'West', including Israel in the Middle East, think they have the moral, political and religious superiority that gives them a God given right to have them themselves- ths can't work.

This is what many of us have been saying for a very long time, warning about the vast dangers or proliferation.

winterwhite

It’s now being said that all 3 targets were severely damaged, but nothing more heard about radiation levels. Was that a misspeak somewhere?

Perhaps because like Saddam's Weapons of Mass Destruction, which were never found- those didn't exist either?

As for Iran being on days away from having a nuclear bomb?

Well, sometimes you need to look at things with some humour- it perhaps actually emphasizes the stupidity of it al even more. Since 2012.

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One of the rare times I went on a protest March - against involvement in Iraq. Didn’t work ,though,even though there were thousands of us. I’d go on one against joining in this war,too.

It’s now being said that all 3 targets were severely damaged, but nothing more heard about radiation levels. Was that a misspeak somewhere?

How about making the Middle East a nuclear free zone. Then everyone would be equal.

"Israel and the US have done us all a favour" I will reserve judgement on that one.

Iraq was a disaster which has made everything worse ever since. The first illegal war- and now both sides can unleash illegal preemptive wars on each other with impunity.

I don't blame Blair either, and I do believe he acted on the information (lies) he was given by the US. We all now know what happened next, and should be very very careful not to fall in the same, multiplied by so many more 0000000s, disastrous trap- and certainly not on the bidding and lies of Trump and Netanyahu.

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Whitewavemark2

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Maremia

On possibly a different thread, a Poster said only 'reasonable' states should have nuclear weapons.
Who would be judged as 'reasonable'? Trump's USA?

And that is why we have had the UN.

Quotes from Eisenhower

“To attempt to hinder or stultify the United Nations or to deprecate its importance is to contribute to world unrest and, indeed, to incite the crises that from time to time so disturb all men”.

In a very real sense, the world no longer has a choice between force and law. If civilization is to survive, it must choose the rule of law."

But force has been chosen.

Force can and does sometimes, come before the UN and International law.
You can tell me I am wrong.

You know that you are wrong don’t you.

No I dont.
In what way?

I mean force happened.
Presumably the Un and International Law wouldnt have wanted it to happen.

Unless you know otherwise.

Because force outside of the rule of law, is a free for all. That takes the world back to before the First World War, since when it has always been recognised that international law is vital to ensure that might is not always right, and to protect weaker nations.

MayBee70

Oreo

Yes. Blair had to take a decision based on information at the time.Nobody can act in ‘retrospect’.

I, personally don’t blame Blair for Iraq because I believe he acted in good faith. I also think that he now bitterly regrets it and that we should have learned a lesson about following America. If only we were still part of a larger organisation and didn’t have to offer up our opinions on such things unilaterally.

I never blamed him either.Being PM means making difficult choices in that regard.
That doesn’t mean we should never help the US ever again.