Trump has attacked Iran

Thank you Claremont I've signed.

Claremont

Please sign the petition asking Starmer NOT to support this war

stoptrump.org.uk/petition-trump-iran/

thank you.

Thanks Claremont - signed👍

I’m also writing to my MP to voice my opposition to the UK becoming involved.

So how much support will Starmer have if he is asked to take the UK into this conflict? Very little I imagine and certainly not from me

I second that Parsley3.

To date, I have largely supported Keir Starmer in most of the decisions he’s made since becoming PM - even when many have been unpopular.

I’ve done so because I believe he has the best interests of our country at heart.

To support Netanyahu and Trump by taking action in this illegal war would, IMO, be highly detrimental for the UK. Keir Starmer would not have my support to do so!

I sincerely hope this government does not put us in that position.

“Lord, what fools these mortals be”, as Shakespeare so rightly said.

This cultural, ethnic, religious concept of utter superiority and 'right' is just so dangerous. War mongering of the worst and most dangerous possible kind, and over a long period of time.

Do you include the civil wars in the region too?
Syria, Yemen, Libya? Iraq, Lebanon?

Please sign the petition asking Starmer NOT to support this war

stoptrump.org.uk/petition-trump-iran/

thank you.

Legally, according to the US Constitution, Trump would have had to seek permission. He did not.

GrannyGravy13

Claremont

GrannyGravy13

Claremont

If the 'West' (incl Israel) can wage preemptive war illegally and with impunity - why would our 'enemies' not come to the conclusion that what is good for the West, cannot apply to them.

Dangerous in the extreme.

The West cannot allow Iran, which is an unstable rogue nation to have nuclear capabilities.

That is indeed hyperbole in the extreme.

The East will of course say exactly the same, especially as Israel has been allowed, illegally, to acquire NWs. And especially as they have been attacked by the West so many time recently- Iraq, Afghanistan and now Iran.

This is a very very dangerous game of ethnic, cultural and religious 'superiority' that gives one side all the rights. Can't you see this?

There have been attacks on U.K. soil and UK citizens by Iran backed terrorist groups.

Defence of our nation from any proposed future attacks, whether physical, cyber, chemical (which we know is Irans modus operandi) should always be paramount.

On that basis, all the arab countries that have been illegally attacked in the past 20+ years, would have the right to massive retalitation- and using exactly the same 'excuse. They would at least have the real excuse that they have been massively attacked by the West (+ Israel) with massive loss of life and everything else.

This cultural, ethnic, religious concept of utter superiority and 'right' is just so dangerous. War mongering of the worst and most dangerous possible kind, and over a long period of time.

Hopefully he will have to get permission from parliament, and they will refuse.

Quotes from Eisenhower

“To attempt to hinder or stultify the United Nations or to deprecate its importance is to contribute to world unrest and, indeed, to incite the crises that from time to time so disturb all men”.

That was then. Sadly, the UN shows that it is not always up to those original ideals. In some areas it is inefficient and bureaucratic and falls below its known standards, although in many areas it is fit for purpose.

Whatever the rights or wrongs of this, we are in a very bad place. Netanyahu has achieved his long held ambition to attack Iran and Trump has taken the USA into a foreign war. Netanyahu has the support of the Israeli people for his action but Trump will have to square it with his MAGA supporters. So how much support will Starmer have if he is asked to take the UK into this conflict? Very little I imagine and certainly not from me. It's one thing to praise the actions of foreign countries from afar but what if we need to be actively involved?

Maremia

On possibly a different thread, a Poster said only 'reasonable' states should have nuclear weapons.
Who would be judged as 'reasonable'? Trump's USA?

And that is why we have had the UN.

Quotes from Eisenhower

“To attempt to hinder or stultify the United Nations or to deprecate its importance is to contribute to world unrest and, indeed, to incite the crises that from time to time so disturb all men”.

In a very real sense, the world no longer has a choice between force and law. If civilization is to survive, it must choose the rule of law."

Cabowich

How, exactly, is Iran able to retaliate? Why is the situation so worrying? I don't quite get it.

If Trump has incapacitated any nuclear weapons the Iranians might have had, what have they got left? Some missiles which might not have the ability to reach America?

Please somebody explain why the situation is so dangerous.

Because it’s very likely Iran have cells in various countries

They reported India here but who knows?

On possibly a different thread, a Poster said only 'reasonable' states should have nuclear weapons.
Who would be judged as 'reasonable'? Trump's USA?

TBH I was surprised to read Pakistan, as they are allies of Iran.

India is always Brown nosing Trump, so perhaps it was them?

paddyann54, it's good to see you back, and to read your input.

Quote Maremia Sun 22-Jun-25 12:00:56
nann8, I thought it was Pakistan.

I too read it was Pakistan

It is not hyperbole to say that the rule of international law has been ignored.

It may not suit supporters of the USA and Israel, but it is a fact. Their actions would not stand up in an international court.

Because of their actions, the west can no longer point the finger or expect retribution in court when other not so friendly countries do the same.

This means then that the most powerful countries will be able to act with impunity and smaller less powerful countries forced to toe the line without recourse to the UN as we have been able to do since WW2.

Oreo

The US did the right thing in my view. It was a chance at the right time and they took it.
Hope for regime change and reduce any nuclear capability.

Good god! I’m horrified by your response, we have friends and family in the USA.

Iran have repeatedly stated that their nuclear facilities are not for developing weapons. Whether you believe that or not is almost irrelevant. Israel bombed them first and killed a high ranking Iranian, of course they retaliated, why Trump has to intervene (interfere) is beyond me, and this all certainly takes the heat of Israel bombing aid stations in Gaza!

What sort of world are we living in?

Trump is a madman, loose canon and frankly I find all of this very scary!

Little bit reminiscent of “weapons of mass destruction”

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nann8, I thought it was Pakistan.

I think it is India nominating him. Presumably before the weapons hitting Iran ?

Claremont

GrannyGravy13

Claremont

If the 'West' (incl Israel) can wage preemptive war illegally and with impunity - why would our 'enemies' not come to the conclusion that what is good for the West, cannot apply to them.

Dangerous in the extreme.

The West cannot allow Iran, which is an unstable rogue nation to have nuclear capabilities.

That is indeed hyperbole in the extreme.

The East will of course say exactly the same, especially as Israel has been allowed, illegally, to acquire NWs. And especially as they have been attacked by the West so many time recently- Iraq, Afghanistan and now Iran.

This is a very very dangerous game of ethnic, cultural and religious 'superiority' that gives one side all the rights. Can't you see this?

There have been attacks on U.K. soil and UK citizens by Iran backed terrorist groups.

Defence of our nation from any proposed future attacks, whether physical, cyber, chemical (which we know is Irans modus operandi) should always be paramount.

Oreo

The US did the right thing in my view. It was a chance at the right time and they took it.
Hope for regime change and reduce any nuclear capability.

We will only know retrospectively if this was the right thing. It may have been or it may be a disaster.

Luckygirl3

Someone is suggesting Trump should be awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.......

Yes, himself, he’s the one nominating himself!