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Trump has attacked Iran

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Bea65 Sun 22-Jun-25 02:03:09

Oh Lordy, what now …this is scary news and now what happens..

Claremont Thu 26-Jun-25 08:57:16

Oreo

The West has no problem with Israel having nuclear, they recognise that as a country surrounded by enemies it gives them a certain amount of protection and Israel is a friend to the West.
Totally unlike Iran.

Yes, and this is clearly why they have been allowed to do so.

But herein lies the massive hypocrisy. Iran and other Middle Eastern countries have no rights, and not even the right to defend themselves. Whatever one thinks of Iran - surely evereone can see the this is intolerable for Arab countries.

And I for one am dreadfully sorry but we were not able to persuade Western Governments that Proliferation would always lead to this. That it would not be possible for The West to make others accept that they alone can possess nuclear arms and therefore 'rule the world. And that be it in The West, The East, or anywhere else, regimes change, and 'goodies' become the baddies', and sometimes t'other way round.

Why should other countries, that have been attacked constantly since the Crusades, and subjugated by Colonialisaion for so long, accept this? If Israel manages to clear Gaza and the West Bank (they are doing it now I believe as the attention is elsewhere) then it will get much worse and we will al live in constant danger of the next crisis and nuclear threat.

ronib Thu 26-Jun-25 07:45:13

Given there’s a distance of about 1,000 miles between Iran and Israel, aerial warfare is the only way to fight (apart from cyber). So it’s hardly surprising that Israel has built up its nuclear arsenal as more conventional land based weapons won’t be used against Iran in the event of an attack.

Oreo Thu 26-Jun-25 07:28:25

The West has no problem with Israel having nuclear, they recognise that as a country surrounded by enemies it gives them a certain amount of protection and Israel is a friend to the West.
Totally unlike Iran.

GrannyGravy13 Thu 26-Jun-25 07:16:19

The last time Israel was inspected Kennedy was POTUS, and they were not as thorough as he would have liked.

Three times over three years.

LizzieDrip Thu 26-Jun-25 00:35:39

news.sky.com/story/why-israel-has-long-been-believed-to-have-a-nuclear-weapons-programme-13386345

LizzieDrip Thu 26-Jun-25 00:21:33

Claremont… none!

“A recent UK House of Commons research briefing reveals new attention on Israel’s secretive nuclear weapons program.

The report outlines decades of strategic silence, lack of treaty commitments, and minimal international pressure on Israel’s undeclared arsenal.

For decades, Israel has stood apart as a unique case in the global nuclear landscape—a nation widely believed to possess nuclear weapons, yet one that neither confirms nor denies their existence.

“Israel has a policy of ambiguity, neither confirming nor denying the existence of its nuclear weapons,” the report underlined.

Estimates from the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI) suggest Israel holds 80 to 90 warheads, with fissile material stockpiled for as many as 200.

But without formal admission, there is no legal accountability, no international inspections, and little diplomatic pressure to disclose or disarm.”

Claremont Wed 25-Jun-25 21:41:44

How many inspectors were required to inspect Israel?

AGAA4 Wed 25-Jun-25 19:52:04

David just because some of us don't believe everything Trump says or does and question the legality of what he did doesn't make us supporters of Iran
It's a really appalling thing to say that posters want Iran to succeed.

Iam64 Wed 25-Jun-25 18:17:03

You’re right again Gg13 we have no idea where Iran is up to in nuclear bomb development. The US president claims their bombs destroyed capability. Other legitimate sources say otherwise

GrannyGravy13 Wed 25-Jun-25 17:59:37

Whitewavemark2 a quick search reveals that Iran restricts where and when the Inspectors can go and what they see. They have never had free range to fully inspect their uranium enrichment facilities.

Realistically we (The World) has no idea what stage they are at regarding their nuclear capabilities.

lafergar Wed 25-Jun-25 17:54:27

Who is an Iran sympathiser? Stop saying silly things David

GrannyGravy13 Wed 25-Jun-25 17:39:01

Whitewavemark2 I would like to see Israel acknowledge its nuclear capability and join the NPT which would necessitate regular inspections.

Irrespective of the above Iran funds and arms multiple puppet terrorist organisations which kill, injure and inflict terror across the world. I would not trust them to accidentally let a nuclear/dirty bomb get into their hands.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 25-Jun-25 17:31:18

GrannyGravy13

David49

Maremia

Those Trump advisors, have you examined their experience and credentials?

If their intentions were peaceful why would the refuse inspections, why try to hide the factory deep inside a mountain, far too many Iran sympathizers on here, Iran has not been attacked for 30 yrs plus they are pursuing an Islamic fundamentalist campaign funding terrorists world wide, do you really want them to have nuclear weapons.

I agree with you David49

Iran is underhand and dangerous, as are the puppet terrorist they bank roll and arm.

But they didn’t! They have had inspections yearly now for years.

Now confirm that Israel has inspections, or if they have refused.

Double standards here.

Claremont Wed 25-Jun-25 16:32:59

www.facebook.com/share/r/1CEuYust87/

Israël's dirty secret- which is no secret at all. Why was Israël allowed and probably helped by the West, to develop a massive nuclear arsenal, illegally. Why has one country got the right to defence, and another not? The hypocrisy is vast. And I am not pro Iran, and neither am I pro Israël now we have seen what they have done to the Palestinian people recently. and what they plan for their future.

The whole thing shows how nuclear proliferation puts us all massively at risk.

AGAA4 Wed 25-Jun-25 16:24:28

There were a lot of planes from China in Iran possibly bringing weapons. What if they also agreed to take and store the uranium?

Boz Wed 25-Jun-25 16:15:16

ronib

There’s zero benefit in speaking truths in politics. My best guess is that Trump has convinced the world that there’s no problem with Iran’s concealed uranium. So I expect in a while, there will be another full on attack to destroy said uranium. No point telling the truth in this situation.

Precisely. If all is not achieved by this attack, they can just go back in and finish the job. In fact, they are just 'parked up' and waiting imo..

ronib Wed 25-Jun-25 14:43:20

There’s zero benefit in speaking truths in politics. My best guess is that Trump has convinced the world that there’s no problem with Iran’s concealed uranium. So I expect in a while, there will be another full on attack to destroy said uranium. No point telling the truth in this situation.

Anniebach Wed 25-Jun-25 14:13:01

Quote AGAA4 Wed 25-Jun-25 13:23:23
Trump has said the fight between Israel and Iran is like two kids in a playground. Let them fight for a minute then tell them to stop.
Seems like Mr Trump has little respect for either country.

Trump speaks truths ? I cannot agree with you

AGAA4 Wed 25-Jun-25 13:23:23

Trump has said the fight between Israel and Iran is like two kids in a playground. Let them fight for a minute then tell them to stop.
Seems like Mr Trump has little respect for either country.

MayBee70 Wed 25-Jun-25 13:16:33

I learned long ago [when Michael Foot, who I voted for, became leader of the Labour Party] that being a good person yourself can mean that you tend to thing the best of others. I wanted to believe that Russia was wrongly regarded as not being dangerous.

Anniebach Wed 25-Jun-25 12:23:19

MayBee thank you for saying “in your opinion” , my posts are my opinions,

MayBee70 Wed 25-Jun-25 12:10:41

"On 12 June 2025, Netanyahu’s government survived a vote to dissolve parliament.[320] On 13 June, Netanyahu authorized airstrikes against Iran, marking the beginning of the Iran–Israel war.[321] Within a week, Netanyahu publicly commented on the effects of the war: "Each of us bears a personal cost, and my family has not been exempt", as he cited that it was "the second time that my son Avner has cancelled a wedding due to missile threats".
Coincidence or what?
Imo we are being dragged into a war to save Netanyahu's skin, not protect the Israeli people....

Anniebach Wed 25-Jun-25 12:00:59

He is Israel’s longest serving PM, says much to me, what I so cannot accept is , he knew Hamas were to attack Israel 7th October 2023, he moved Israelis nearer to the border into
danger.
I do not accept he started war against Hamas to avoid being
prosecuted for some alleged illegal action,

MayBee70 Wed 25-Jun-25 11:11:40

Anniebach

Quote Cossy Wed 25-Jun-25 10:35:11
Anniebach
Iran wanted nuclear weapons before 13th June , as usual criticism falls on Israel
It’s not Israel Annie, it’s Netanyahu, who himself is a danger to his own people, almost as great a danger as Hamas are to Israel and Gaza.

I definitely do not believe one man dictates to the Israeli government, the Israeli army, the Israeli citizens

I do not trust Netanyahu; this from Wikipedia’d..
“Authoritarianism
In the years under Netanyahu's rule, Israel has been experiencing increasing authoritarianism, democratic backsliding, and corruption,[323][324][325][326] in addition to expansionism.[327] During the Gaza War, Israel under Netanyahu had undergone censorship, such as with protests and news media.[328][329][330] Netanyahu's repeated attempts to revamp judicial systems have been accused of being efforts to elevate authoritarianism and protect the prime minister from corruption charges;[324][325] he in turn accused the "leftist Deep state" of attempting to weaponize the justice system against him and the people of Israel.[331] He additionally has spoken populist statements regarding Anti-Arab racism involving narratives of conflict with Jews, in particular of Anti-Palestinianism.[326] Netanyahu's administration in recent years has been tailored towards far-right politics and has been described as the most far-right government in Israeli history. He has also allied his nation with other illiberal, authoritarian leaders from Hungary, Russia, and the United States.”

Oreo Wed 25-Jun-25 11:09:36

Maremia

Wow! I agree with Oreo's post.

We may even both like Marmite toast 😄