Glastonbury And The BBC Drowns The Welfare Bill

MaizieD
Am sure you know the difference or I hope you do, between an anti war song by Bob Dylan aimed at fictional governments taking their country into a war, and a song at a music festival calling for the deaths of soldiers on active duty right now in a real country in a real situation.

Definitely not “to kill “

I cannot recall protests songs from the 60’s saying “kill”

Hmm...
Not quite 'kill', Annieb but pretty close. Last verse of Masters of War

And I hope that you die
And your death'll come soon
I will follow your casket
In the pale afternoon
And I'll watch while you're lowered
Down to your deathbed
And I'll stand over your grave
'Til I'm sure that you're dead

I'll take your word for that Petra. I didn't hear that Rapper singing at Glastonbury.
Some fabulous anti-war protest songs from the 1960's include, of course 'Blowin' in the Wind' sung by Bob Dylan 1962
'Where have all the flowers gone?' sung by Joan Baez
'Universal Soldier' sung by Donovan 1965,

but a question upthread was did any of them say 'kill', as did the anti-war protest song at Glastonbury, and the answer is
yes, just put your question into your google search and see for yourself.
Won't put up a link as there is swearing in the lyrics,and the Admins would not approve.

The IDF aren't being housed in blighty travelodges though, are they?

Maremia

The Rapper was making a political protest, just as singers did in the 1960's, with those protest songs. Maybe that's where he chose his name.

He can’t hold a candle to Dylan. Masters of war is the protest song to end all protest songs.

Knowing me knowing you aha😲

The funniest tweet I saw about them was someone saying if Alan Partridge decided to be a rebellious rapper this is what he would do.

Nan0

Agree..Dylan Kneecap and the bbc

In defence of Bob Dylan, who probably doesn't read GN, I will just point out that this had nothing to do with him .

The offending rapper is Bob Vylan.

Yes I disagree with Amnesty on a number of points these days, they seem to have completely lost their way, their policy on prostitution for example makes me question their morality so I tend not to be guided by their views these days. They are one of those bodies who I would not want deciding what is the correct speech.

It’s just been confirmed that their appearance at Manchester Festival has been cancelled.

I think they are too hot for venues

Whitewavemark2

What a massive amount of advertising for what appears a very mediocre group. I bet they can’t believe their luck.

Am not at all sure about that! They had a US tour which is now cancelled as the US refuse them visas.

Agree..Dylan Kneecap and the bbc

Well said.

Just like Hamas then.

Whitewavemark2

What a massive amount of advertising for what appears a very mediocre group. I bet they can’t believe their luck.

It’s backfired, they have had their USA visa revoked, so no gigs in US for the foreseeable, French festivals have cancelled their performances.

I doubt they will work in the UK anytime soon.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAs5EOBUDcs
Not sure if this link will work…I need to watch it myself if it does.

Thanks, MayBee70. I'll try to find the podcast myself. I know what you mean about all the political stuff. I try not to listen to newscasts before bed; in fact am trying to ration myself to one a day . . . .

Me too Maybee70. I don’t want to keep up with politics, I find it all so depressing 😩 when I saw all those flags on Glasto ( as much as I feel sorry for the Gaziens) I ended up switching the tv off.

Galaxy

If as as a society we decide to police speech, don't be that surprised when speech which you approve of is affected.

With Freedom of Speech comes responsibility.

However, the right to freedom of expression is not absolute — neither for the creators of material nor their critics. It carries responsibilities and it may, therefore, be subject to restrictions in the name of safeguarding the rights of others. In particular, any advocacy of national, racial or religious hatred that constitutes incitement to discrimination, hostility or violence cannot be considered legitimate exercise of freedom of expression. Under international standards, such “hate speech” should be prohibited by law.

Amnesty International

If as as a society we decide to police speech, don't be that surprised when speech which you approve of is affected.

What a massive amount of advertising for what appears a very mediocre group. I bet they can’t believe their luck.

Quote Maremia Wed 02-Jul-25 17:01:35
The Rapper was making a political protest, just as singers did in the 1960's, with those protest songs. Maybe that's where he chose his name.

I cannot recall protests songs from the 60’s saying “kill” , do
give a link

No, the recent one is about Iran. I didn’t read it properly.I’d be surprised if there wasn’t one about Gaza and Hamas further back, though. I’ll delve into the archives.

Betony

The chaos that is Palestine. One of the true tragedies of our age. I'd really like to know how Hamas got to be so powerful there. I see from the internet that they came to power 2006 when they won a majority of seats (which included women candidates) and when they ran quite openly on an 'Israel must be destroyed' ticket. Before that they had the PLO (Yasser Arafat) who in my memory seemed always ready to negotiate with Israel, and other countries besides, and didn't insist on doing away with the Israeli State.
Can any Gransnet member clued up in these matters provide info (without any conjecture) on Hamas's very successful grasp of power in Palestine? I know it's complicated, but at the time of Arafat there seemed to be more will to peace and less depressing blood lust like now.

I think there’s recent The Rest is Politics podcast outlining the history of it all. I would normally listen to it but for my own sanity I’m having a few breaks from current affairs and political stuff.