Glastonbury And The BBC Drowns The Welfare Bill

MayBee70

But the crowd at Glastonbury weren’t going to run off and start torching buildings because of the comments. The things that women said were made at a time when riots were in danger of erupting all over the country ( my town centre was shut down; thankfully nothing came of it). It was the equivalent of lighting a bonfire in the middle of a National park after weeks of drought.

To be honest maybee70, I never actually heard what LC said, but I did hear that those fires were started before- I agree it was an incredibly stupid thing to do, but her daughter & husband must be suffering.

But the crowd at Glastonbury weren’t going to run off and start torching buildings because of the comments. The things that women said were made at a time when riots were in danger of erupting all over the country ( my town centre was shut down; thankfully nothing came of it). It was the equivalent of lighting a bonfire in the middle of a National park after weeks of drought.

It was a deliberate incitement to violence perpetuated by a performer desperate for publicity, in front of a huge crowd hyped up on a hot day, in a situation which could easily become dangerous.
The parallels with stupid Lucy Connolly are there but it seems unlikely this idiot will be punished; everyone is far too busy showing how terribly broadminded they are.

Absolutely is the same thing

Glasweegran

It's not consistency though. Lucy was inciting actual rioters to set fire to a hotel containing innocent people including women and children, which they did. It was only luck and the fire brigade that stopped people being murdered.
Conversely, a punk group led chants at hippie peace festival (because that's what it started as and is still at heart) to a group of festivals goers who are not in the slightest danger of personally attacking the IDF, who are an organisation currently being accused of war crimes and genocide through international courts.
That is not an equivalency.
Could Bob Vylan have chosen better words, sure. Is it actual incitement to violence, No.

I think the fires started before she tweeted anything tbh.
It sounds worse coming from an artist, as some people will treat these celebrities like God, they hang on to their every word.
I think what LC said, was totally wrong, I think she will have certainly learnt her lesson & I think it’s time they released her.. for the sake of her daughter who’s at vulnerable age, & her husband who has cancer.

Mt61

It’s a shame, as it over shadowed all the other good acts on there.

I agree. And they’ve done the complete opposite of what I assume they meant to do which was to draw attention to the plight of the Palestinian people ( who are still being killed). All they’ve done is make people think that sympathy for the people in Gaza equates to support for Hamas and anti semitism . Nearly all of Glastonbury was about love and peace.

It’s a shame, as it over shadowed all the other good acts on there.

Chocolatelovinggran

GrannyGravy, the decision to arrest and prosecute crimes is the responsibility of the police and the Crown Prosecution Service.
This is nothing to do with the Prime Minister.

I am perfectly aware of that, but it wouldn’t stop the tabloid headlines of Two Tier Keir

For Owen Jones to be pontificating on people being arrested for words is beyond hypocrisy.

GrannyGravy, the decision to arrest and prosecute crimes is the responsibility of the police and the Crown Prosecution Service.
This is nothing to do with the Prime Minister.

GrannyGravy13

The BBC production team and the Glastonbury team knew Bob Vylans modus operandi.

Their set should never have gone out live it should also not have been left for viewing on iplayer for another five hours.

So yes the BBC have questions to be answered.

Somerset and Avon Police are taking this and the band Kneecap allegations seriously.

If Lucy Connolly can be imprisoned for a hateful tweet, then these bands need to be behind bars for hate speech and inciting violence.

News programmes covering this are also giving many news hours to the Welfare Bill, the two are not mutually exclusive.

It's not the same though. Lucy Connolly was inciting actual rioters to set fire to a hotel containing innocent people including women and children, which they did. It was only luck and the fire brigade that stopped people being murdered.
Conversely, a punk group led chants at hippie peace festival (because that's what it started as and is still at heart) to a group of festivals goers who are not in the slightest danger of personally attacking the IDF, who are an organisation currently being accused of war crimes and genocide through international courts.
That is not an equivalency.
Could Bob Vylan have chosen better words, sure. Is it actual incitement to violence, No.

Oreo

I think the welfare bill this evening is still garnering plenty of attention.

It is if you choose to look Oreo this thread, with two topics referenced by the OP, is primarily focused on the one.

Article in the Guardian with which I totally agree.
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/jul/01/britain-musician-gaza-glastonbury

I think the welfare bill this evening is still garnering plenty of attention.

ferry23

Mainly because of ignorance, but sometimes because of out and out bigotry - hatred towards Israel (any section of) will translate to hatred towards Jews.

And so the circle of prejudice continues.

This

GrannyGravy13

The BBC production team and the Glastonbury team knew Bob Vylans modus operandi.

Their set should never have gone out live it should also not have been left for viewing on iplayer for another five hours.

So yes the BBC have questions to be answered.

Somerset and Avon Police are taking this and the band Kneecap allegations seriously.

If Lucy Connolly can be imprisoned for a hateful tweet, then these bands need to be behind bars for hate speech and inciting violence.

News programmes covering this are also giving many news hours to the Welfare Bill, the two are not mutually exclusive.

I totally agree

Mainly because of ignorance, but sometimes because of out and out bigotry - hatred towards Israel (any section of) will translate to hatred towards Jews.

And so the circle of prejudice continues.

It's not consistency though. Lucy was inciting actual rioters to set fire to a hotel containing innocent people including women and children, which they did. It was only luck and the fire brigade that stopped people being murdered.
Conversely, a punk group led chants at hippie peace festival (because that's what it started as and is still at heart) to a group of festivals goers who are not in the slightest danger of personally attacking the IDF, who are an organisation currently being accused of war crimes and genocide through international courts.
That is not an equivalency.
Could Bob Vylan have chosen better words, sure. Is it actual incitement to violence, No.

A woman was jailed because of a racist tweet after the Southport murders. What is the difference?

Doodledog

LaCrepescule

Jail? Oh purleeze…He wasn’t being anti-semitic. Musicians have long-used their art for political purposes. Maybe he shouldn’t have said”kill” even though that’s what the IDF essentially are - licensed killers.

A lot of them are conscripts - just ordinary people who’d probably rather be doing something else.

I don’t know enough about the ME situation to comment on that, but the comments were incitement to hatred, IMO. I don’t want to see a singer jailed, but there has to be consistency.

Yes, there has to be consistency, if not we will see more headlines of Two Tier Keir

LaCrepescule

Jail? Oh purleeze…He wasn’t being anti-semitic. Musicians have long-used their art for political purposes. Maybe he shouldn’t have said”kill” even though that’s what the IDF essentially are - licensed killers.

A lot of them are conscripts - just ordinary people who’d probably rather be doing something else.

I don’t know enough about the ME situation to comment on that, but the comments were incitement to hatred, IMO. I don’t want to see a singer jailed, but there has to be consistency.

LaCrepescule

Jail? Oh purleeze…He wasn’t being anti-semitic. Musicians have long-used their art for political purposes. Maybe he shouldn’t have said”kill” even though that’s what the IDF essentially are - licensed killers.

You could say that every governments armed forces are licensed killers

I will reiterate, people have been imprisoned for tweets inciting violence, Bob Vylan antisemitism, and Kneecap (kill a conservative MP) (one of their number is out on unconditional bail after being charged with terrorism offences)

GrannyGravy13

The BBC production team and the Glastonbury team knew Bob Vylans modus operandi.

Their set should never have gone out live it should also not have been left for viewing on iplayer for another five hours.

So yes the BBC have questions to be answered.

Somerset and Avon Police are taking this and the band Kneecap allegations seriously.

If Lucy Connolly can be imprisoned for a hateful tweet, then these bands need to be behind bars for hate speech and inciting violence.

News programmes covering this are also giving many news hours to the Welfare Bill, the two are not mutually exclusive.

Agreed on all counts.

Jail? Oh purleeze…He wasn’t being anti-semitic. Musicians have long-used their art for political purposes. Maybe he shouldn’t have said”kill” even though that’s what the IDF essentially are - licensed killers.

Some people need saving from themselves.
This rant from a Rapper, known for his extremism, should have not been live-streamed by the BBC, who should have known what the consequences would be. Just irresponsible journalism.
Now the BBC is in the dock again and the Rapper could go to jail.