Falling birth rate

4allweknow

Growstuff High Streets are desolate except for pubs, nailbars, vape shops etc as online shopping has driven shop closures. Retail parks accommodate the supermarkets, clothing stores etc nowadays.

Are you suggesting that a higher birth rate would get people back to shopping on the high street? That's a separate issue.

Growstuff High Streets are desolate except for pubs, nailbars, vape shops etc as online shopping has driven shop closures. Retail parks accommodate the supermarkets, clothing stores etc nowadays.

Officially, birth rate is the total number of live human births per 1,000 population for a given period divided by the length of the period in years.

Therefore, if the total population increases, but the number of births remains the same, the birth rate goes down.

How is fall in birthrate defined. After WWII the country was encouraged to have children probably to fill the loss of so many who died plus the anticipated surge in building and industries. Have we reached the pre war level or is it a reduction in the post war level. All the baby boomers are blamed for being a drain on the country but no mention of what they all have and still contribute to the country.

Let's be honest, by the time it becomes a real problem, we'll be long gone.

If it is correct that schools are making redundancies - is that due to lack of funding or a fall in kids attending school?

Fall in kids attending school.
As far as I know, it varies area to area.
Areas with an increase in house builds and that attracts families, their schools are overflowing.

Three of the last four Conservative leaders have/had mothers not born in the UK.

petra

The figures from the ONS on live births to women not born in the uk.

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/livebirths/bulletins/parentscountryofbirthenglandandwales/2022

What's the problem with that?

ViceVersa

Allira

spread fertiliser on our crops

Of course they do. To replace the nutrients which were used up in last year's crop!!

And fertiliser doesn't necessarily mean chemicals.

No, it doesn't, but crops aren't produced by commercial farmers the same way as they are on an allotment. Soil quality is being depleted.

If it is correct that schools are making redundancies - is that due to lack of funding or a fall in kids attending school?
even the latter could be affected by the number of children who don't attend school due to their special needs etc

I am happy that the birth rate is falling. Less of a drain on natural resources

ViceVersa

Allira

spread fertiliser on our crops

Of course they do. To replace the nutrients which were used up in last year's crop!!

And fertiliser doesn't necessarily mean chemicals.

We wouldn't survive without nutrients in our food so how plants could be expected to grow without nutrients is puzzling.

Of course, organic fertilisers are best but manure etc doesn't always contain what is needed.

Allira

^spread fertiliser on our crops^

Of course they do. To replace the nutrients which were used up in last year's crop!!

And fertiliser doesn't necessarily mean chemicals.

The figures from the ONS on live births to women not born in the uk.

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/livebirths/bulletins/parentscountryofbirthenglandandwales/2022

spread fertiliser on our crops

Of course they do. To replace the nutrients which were used up in last year's crop!!

growstuff

Allira

We do produce enough food to feed everyone in the world adequately.

Only because we pump animals full of drugs, spread fertiliser on our crops and manufacture so-called food from chemicals.

I agree with you, Growstuff but unfortunately most people don't seem to get this. Why on earth would we wish more babies to be born into this world? Global warming is an immediate threat which might not be overcome. We in the first world live like kings whilst most of the world live in poverty. The natural world is declining. Oceans are polluted and over-fished. Will it ever be put right even if it were possible, which I doubt. For the last 200 years or so mankind has been polluting this beautiful planet. I was glad I was born when I was as I have had the best of it. So many people are putting their heads in the sand if they think the way we live is sustainable.

I agree with you nanna. Our priorities were so different from what our DC have come to expect.
Maybe I'm looking through rose tinted glasses but I wasn't off work suffering from stress. Our holidays were a chance to get away, usually under canvas in a midgy field and appreciating home comforts when we got home.
Our DC expect a villa abroad!

You’re absolutely right nanna8 on how priorities change.

Expectations are higher as regards standards of living now. We had 4 children plus 2 foster children. We fed and clothed and educated them all and gave low priority to fancy clothes, cars or kitchen appliances. I think values have changed that way. Also, of course, houses are much more expensive- and a lot of them are horrible, too. We always looked for a decent sized garden above all but all that has gone out the window with the increasing population.

growstuff

Allira

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growstuff

David49

Whitewavemark2

Blimey the message - immigrants seems to be getting through.

High immigration levels generally means economic growth.

It does if they are actually working, not sitting in hotels costing money.

The vast majority of immigrants are not siting in hotels costing money.

Where are they then?

Where are they then?

Many working in the NHS or in private healthcare. Care workers, shop workers, teachers, in the Armed Forces.
Everywhere!

Yes, everywhere! My neighbours work in a science lab, hospital, engineering company and packaging company.

There is a high propertion of immigrants in my GC's primary school, many have been here for more than 20 years though some are very recent immigrants with no English.
The vast majority of families seem to have at least one working adult in the household, though many of the mums are part-time workers. Some of the Polish women in particular are very highly qualified and looking forward to being able to get a better job once their children are older.
It should be stressed that many immigrant parents are also very keen for their children to work hard and have a good life here. One couple from south America (who have pretty lowly jobs themselves) already have one child in university studying law, with equally high expectations for their other two children.

Kandinsky

Many women are choosing not to have children at all these days, or they leave it very late & have just one ( possibly two )
Pretty much every woman I know ( under early 40’s ) have two children, which has been the norm for a while.
When I was growing up in the 60’s nearly every family I knew had 4 or 5 children, quite a few had 6.
It’s getting so bad primary schools are closing in some areas.

My friend who is a teacher said that her school might start making people redundant!
Seeing more ethnic people in the secondary schools that I pass, so won’t they take the up school placements?

Kandinsky

Many women are choosing not to have children at all these days, or they leave it very late & have just one ( possibly two )
Pretty much every woman I know ( under early 40’s ) have two children, which has been the norm for a while.
When I was growing up in the 60’s nearly every family I knew had 4 or 5 children, quite a few had 6.
It’s getting so bad primary schools are closing in some areas.

I was born on the late 50s and most of my friends families had 2 or 3. My own two daughters are in their mid 30s and one has just had a baby. She's a doctor and the training etc has been so long, the pay so crappy and the uncertainty of the next training place has meant she couldn't do anything until last year. My other daughter hasn't found the right partner and is concentrating on her career, but if she could afford it she would have a baby anyway, but she can't afford that and her mortgage. Personally if it was me and I was young again and looking at the state of the world I would not have children. I can't see climate change and the competition for the earth depleted resources ending well.

Oreo

There are approximately 32,000 being housed in hotels in the UK right now Whitewavemark2 can you imagine the cost!

Yes but most of that was inherited.

The HO has certainly speeded up the processing, and the numbers will gradually fall.

However, this does not mean that people will not continue to seek asylum - that will almost certainly increase in volume world wide for reasons that are clear.

What needs is an agreed quota system by the world.

People running from, war, political violence, religious oppression, and most of all climate change is going to increase. Exponentially in the last reason.

There are approximately 32,000 being housed in hotels in the UK right now Whitewavemark2 can you imagine the cost!

Immigration will do the same job as increased birth rate

Do you really agree with that?

Or are you only meaning that sentence in a certain way?