Rachel reeves

Junglebub

Reeves is a disgrace, she made me ashamed to be a woman and ashamed to be British. The world is disgusted with this behaviour in the Mother of all Parliaments. Or maybe she was crying for those aged souls on limited means from whom she cruelly snatched their winter fuel payment, or the hard-working farmers whose lives have been ruined by her??
If you can't stand the heat, Chancellor, get out of the kitchen....

I'm a British woman. I don't feel ashamed about being either, whatever Reeves or Badenoch does.

PS. I'm on very limited means. The loss of winter fuel payment was noticed by me, but didn't make a huge difference. It was £200 - not £2000!

Mt61

Fair enough. I too, at the time felt sorry for her, but lying in bed last night I was thinking about it, my sister committed suicide due to the last governments decision to implement the bedroom tax.
This government what they want to do to the sick & have done to the elderly, regarding the WFA is beyond reproach. There will be more people struggling, ‘I am sure of it’ more suicides.
So do I feel sorry, no I can’t say that I do.
If it had have been KB in a similar situation, you labour supporters would have had a right field day for sure.

Mt61 I'm sorry to hear about your sister. I'm not a "Labour supporter* by the way and I do try to look at issues objectively.

As for WFA, I (like so many others) lost out and noticed the difference. However, I also think a lot of fuss was made out of a piffling amount of money. The whole thing was rushed through and the optics were dreadful, but I don't believe £200 a year makes much difference to people who are really struggling - and I don't believe those pensioners with generous pensions etc deserve the money any more than working age families do.

I've written before about my reservations about the disability benefit changes. I do think there needs to be a thorough review. IMO there are questions which need answering about the huge increase in the number of younger people claiming PIP for mental health conditions. Some of them are receiving more money than others in similar circumstances who don't qualify for PIP but are still struggling. There's something not right about the current system.

I don't have a lot of time for Rachel Reeves, but I do think she's been unfairly demonised and I think what Kemi Badenoch did says more about what a nasty person Badenoch is than about Reeves.

The whole thing has been a field day for the media and various opposition politicians. Labour needs to up its game seriously to understand the public and to explain its actions more clearly. Excuses such as not being able to afford something just won't wash.

It makes a change, she's usually very smug and smiley, especially when cutting payments to pensioners!

Kemi Badenoch is fighting two prejudices. She’s a woman and she’s black. But women resorting to being even worse than their male counterparts is inexcusable. It’s the reason but not the excuse. I see it as a betrayal of women.

Out of interest, would you feel as venomous towards a male politician if he was pushing through similar policies?

Reeves is a disgrace, she made me ashamed to be a woman and ashamed to be British. The world is disgusted with this behaviour in the Mother of all Parliaments. Or maybe she was crying for those aged souls on limited means from whom she cruelly snatched their winter fuel payment, or the hard-working farmers whose lives have been ruined by her??
If you can't stand the heat, Chancellor, get out of the kitchen....

Grantanow

Badenoch: cheap and nasty point scoring. Speaker should have called her to order.

The Speaker makes me think of eg a teacher having one of their own children in a class and having to make a point of being stricter with them than the other children ( apologies to teachers; it isn’t really a good example but the only one I could thing of). He seems to come down much heavier on the Labour Party benches. He seemed to let Johnson get away with his bluff and blustering, too.

Fair enough. I too, at the time felt sorry for her, but lying in bed last night I was thinking about it, my sister committed suicide due to the last governments decision to implement the bedroom tax.
This government what they want to do to the sick & have done to the elderly, regarding the WFA is beyond reproach. There will be more people struggling, ‘I am sure of it’ more suicides.
So do I feel sorry, no I can’t say that I do.
If it had have been KB in a similar situation, you labour supporters would have had a right field day for sure.

Grantanow

Badenoch: cheap and nasty point scoring. Speaker should have called her to order.

And who is going to call the Speaker to order. As I understand it, he was the one who upset her in the first place.

Badenoch: cheap and nasty point scoring. Speaker should have called her to order.

Ellie Anne

I have no idea why Rachel Reeves was so upset in the commons. Whether it was personal issues or work related is not my business.
But I was disgusted that kemi badenoch used her distress to score political points.

Totally agree! Not a fan of Reeves by any measure but KB showed her true colours. Also thought the many photos of RR on the news progs were unnecessary, talk about 'kick a man when he's down'.

Mini2020

Rachel Reeves would have behaved the same. She is a woman who would try to belittle everyone, she shows it in her politics.

Even if that were true, tit-for-tat doesn't excuse any behaviour.

Rachel Reeves would have behaved the same. She is a woman who would try to belittle everyone, she shows it in her politics.

Honestly I think RR should have darted off to the loos with 'an upset' to avoid being seen. House of commons is no place for anyone upset. Otherwise, I think she has handled things as well as possible, but the press and opposition snoops will be all over her and her family - I do not envy her one bit.

Rachel Reeves looked awful didn’t she? Why didn’t she excuse herself from going into the Chamber? I don’t understand it.

Kemi Badenoch is a vile politician fighting her own back benchers, so uses any underhand modus operandi that she can.

I totally agree Iam64
Why can’t we just let it pass why keep on and on picking the scab Who of us has not had a bad day that’s reduced us to feeling like shedding a tear it doesn’t matter whether it’s work personal or a combination. the woman was upset showed her human side kept herself in control she didn’t run out howling she found it impossible to hold back a quiet tear but even that’s not good enough ……..let’s all leave it be

I do not support either of them
I'm sure Reeves' tears are nothing to the suffering she will (in part) cause the sick and needy
Politicians need to be tough, sorry

I don't have much time for Rachel Reeves but I certainly felt for her being in obvious distress. As I say - obvious - so why didn't KS or whoever is responsible for the welfare of MPs tell her not to attend. He could have said she was unwell or whatever, but there was no need to subject her to such humiliation.

Sadly, the word that seems to me to best fit is "catty" - one woman to another.

I found it to be very uncomfortable viewing, so intrusive, poor woman was clearly very upset, for whatever reason,imagine having the whole world watch you in a state of despair, dreadful.

Sewingpruso

I thought it was not allowed to make personal remarks in Parliament. I thought the Speaker should have reprimanded KB...so rude too.

Hear hear! Nasty piece of work.

As Theresa May said when she cried upon her resignation speech, a man who shows emotion is praised as he is strong , a woman is mocked because she is weak. I don't like Badenoch for not recognising another woman's distress and respecting it but the press has been awful about it.
At the end of the day, the person to be criticised soundly is Keir Starmer if criticism is due regarding the failure of their plans. Racheal Reeves can only put forward plans for expenditure with his say so.

No sympathy from me. Vile woman. Can't wait for Labour to go.

The markets picked up because they dropped significantly the day of the tears. She needs to resign she obviously cannot do the job. This country is on a slippery slope because of her policies. God help us all.