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New ^left^ political party?

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MaizieD Fri 04-Jul-25 09:50:11

Anniebach

When Corbyn was leader of the Labour Party he delivered the
heaviest GE defeat since 1935

That defeat demonstrated his complete lack of political nous. A lack which, however appealing he might be to the Left, makes him unsuitable to lead a party. (Starmer is demonstrating a similar deficiency.)

He should never have agreed to a GE, Johnson was on the ropes, struggling with a small majority, Corbyn and Swinson were vainglorious enough to think that they could easily defeat him in a GE. They entirely misjudged Johnson's populist appeal and capacity to convince voters of the 'truth' of his lies (already demonstrated in the Brexit campaign)

Nobody bothered much about Corbyn until he almost beat May in the 2017 election. Then the 'establishment' arraigned themselves against him. They will do it again.

Allira Fri 04-Jul-25 09:46:47

One more to add to the ever-increasing list of choices on a ballot paper!

Casdon Fri 04-Jul-25 09:45:15

I have the distinct feeling that Sultana has jumped the gun. I bet Corbyn is fuming this morning.

ronib Fri 04-Jul-25 09:43:26

Paradoxically didn’t Corbyn have one million more votes than Starmer? Anniebach

Anniebach Fri 04-Jul-25 09:28:18

When Corbyn was leader of the Labour Party he delivered the
heaviest GE defeat since 1935

M0nica Fri 04-Jul-25 09:16:15

Caleo

I would like to see Corbyn back to lead a really moral, really socialist Labour party. I am afraid Labour is too populist . We must have taxation sufficient to pay for decent social care, NHS, and education.

What matters is what the ordinary non-aligned voter on the street will vote for.

You can be a party where every member is a sea green incorruptable, with left wing socialist views that breathe out odours of motherhood and apple pie with every sigh, but if the elctorate as a whole do not like your policies or what they stand for and will not vote for you, you might as well go back to bed and stay there.

I find it incredible that the Labour party and its acolytes, which, more than any other party, started as a party that represented the average working man, has gradually migrated to become the party most at the mercy of, what are essentially, authoritarian extremists, who believe that they have a monopoly on knowing what is best for us, and we should all do as they tell us.

Thank goodness that nowadays, with universal suffrage, the majority of people will just leave them to crawl down their own little worm holes. Corbyn's record of dirty dealings and treachery make the idea that any group he leads as being really moral, a non-starter.

All parties must be populist. Being populist means being democratic and offering people policies they will vote for. To do anything else, is a jpurney to oblivion or dictatorship.

ronib Fri 04-Jul-25 09:11:38

If this faction gains any traction, it does challenge the assumption that Labour will be in power for the next ten years. But don’t hold your breath….

Anniebach Fri 04-Jul-25 09:07:20

Not a split Labour Party, Sultana and Corbyn are not Labour MP,s

MaizieD Fri 04-Jul-25 09:04:06

If it happens I think it will go the way of all attempts to form new parties, it will have some enthusiastic and dedicated supporters but never garner enough of the vote share.

One could point to Reform as an exception to this, but Farage is a fully paid up member of the ‘establishment, has a genius for self promotion and is adored by the greater part of the mainstream media because he does and says nothing which radically challenges the established system of power or the position of the financial institutions and markets.

Corbyn is political marmite and is loathed by the ‘establishment’, he will never get enough media exposure and neither will Zarah Sultana. What exposure they might get will be mostly negative.

I note in the BBC news article on this story that it’s pointed out that Corbyn is in a parliamentary ‘group’ with other ‘independent MPs. This group are the pro Palestine MPs who beat Labour candidates lat July. Their names are all given, just to add emphasis to what is being implied. ‘Mainstream judged anti semite has close association with terrorist sympathisers…’ Just to add to the implications the Pro Palestine group which organised the painting of RAF planes has been voted by practically the whole of parliament to be designated a terrorist group.

Can anyone see a new party led by Corbyn really succeeding?

Whitewavemark2 Fri 04-Jul-25 09:02:14

GrannyGravy13

A split Labour Party?

A gift to the Conservatives…

Not really as reform has done that to the Tory party, and is likely to achieve more seats than the Tories if they go on as they are in the polls.

We definitely need a balance to the far right, and perhaps a left wing party is the answer.

Interestingly I think that if it does get off the ground it would make British politics much closer to European politics, with coalitions etc becoming necessary.

Whitewavemark2 Fri 04-Jul-25 08:58:49

I actually think that the Labour Party will be forced to move further away from the centre regardless of what May or might not happen to another left party.

I suspect that Corbyn may not be happy about challenging his beloved Labour Party, but we will see.

Jane43 Fri 04-Jul-25 08:57:00

Hopefully Diane Abbott will join them since she is currently relishing undermining Keir Starmer on programmes such as NewsNight, if she doesn’t she is a hypocrite.

GrannyGravy13 Fri 04-Jul-25 08:55:54

A split Labour Party?

A gift to the Conservatives…

Ilovecheese Fri 04-Jul-25 08:55:49

Good to have a choice of voting for a left wing party. As Jackiest says, at the moment we have two Conservative parties, both of which are not doing too well.
It will be interesting to see how many candidates they can put forward in any forthcoming elections. Their values are still held by previous Labour voters who feel let down by the direction that Keir Starmer has led "his" party in.

eazybee Fri 04-Jul-25 08:50:41

And so it begins.

Kandinsky Fri 04-Jul-25 08:48:29

Isn’t Jeremy Corbyn what the Labour Party is all about - or should be?
Aren’t his principles core labour beliefs?

I’m amazed how many Labour’ supporters can’t stand him.
They seem to prefer watered down Labour, or some sort of Labour /Tory mix.

lafergar Fri 04-Jul-25 08:45:59

OOOh great. I love her. Fantastic news.

AGAA4 Fri 04-Jul-25 08:42:46

I'm not sure if Corbyn has committed himself to this yet.
A more 'left' party could help to counteract Farage and Reform maybe.

Caleo Fri 04-Jul-25 08:41:37

I would like to see Corbyn back to lead a really moral, really socialist Labour party. I am afraid Labour is too populist . We must have taxation sufficient to pay for decent social care, NHS, and education.

Sarnia Fri 04-Jul-25 08:39:33

Time to leave the country!!!

Grandmabatty Fri 04-Jul-25 08:37:50

It, along with the splinter parties from reform won't make a bit of difference to general election results.

Jackiest Fri 04-Jul-25 08:34:45

It will be good to give people the choice as at the moment we just have two Conservative parties.

GrannyGravy13 Fri 04-Jul-25 08:06:25

Suspended Labour MP Zarah Sultana is all over the media since the 10pm news last night.

She has announced that along with Jeremy Corbyn she is launching a new political party to heal a broken Westminster

Are there still enough Corbynistas to get this of the ground?

Will it cause the current Labour Front Bench to have a rethink on its direction?