New ^left^ political party?

Hopefully it will be their downfall, it's a joy to see the cracks appearing. There has been publicity on TV and in the media, yet nothing on Ben Habib's new party. Advance UK, nor Rupert Lowe's movement Restore Britain which is a cross party pressure group and think tank.

Mrs Matt, I agree.

FranP, I hope that societies arrive at a turning point when the wrongs are too much emotionally to bear, and at that point the people rebel against the status quo. The symbol for this process is sometimes taken to be the Taoist YinYang symbol. The symbol shows that the seeds of the yang are within the yin and the seeds of the yin are within the yang.

I am concerned about this. I don’t hold a candle the right wingers in the party at all. However, I am minded at the problems Obama had when he came to power, regarding healthcare. He was blocked at every turn by republicans and pharma companies, and couldn’t get to do what he wanted. I observe that Labour is chipping away at important areas like housing, transport infrastructure, early years etc, and doing so quietly. Labour is meeting little opposition there. However the media is virulently underreporting the good changes that Labour has already managed, and Labour messaging is not what it should be either. Regarding another party; factions have always been thus, for as long as I can remember, under many different names and many different ‘leaders’, I suspect they will be factions or bits of independent. I also don’t think they mop up potential Reform voters. A part of me is hoping that slow and steady wins the race.

icanhandthemback

From my reading it seems that the "new party" is already in a state of disarray and arguing amongst themselves. That said, I am happy to see more political parties with seats in the House of Commons because I don't think a landslide win for any party works well.

Landslide victories are better than eg having to bribe parties like the DUP to prop you up though. Nothing wrong imo with the ruling party having a good workable majority. But we always need a good, functioning opposition with a good strong leader and that we haven’t got at the moment. Not helped by the media brainwashing everyone into believing that Reform (with it’s 4 MP’s) are the actual opposition.

From my reading it seems that the "new party" is already in a state of disarray and arguing amongst themselves. That said, I am happy to see more political parties with seats in the House of Commons because I don't think a landslide win for any party works well.

The trouble with a new socialist labour party is that there are not enough caring socialist folks to make their policies work.

How many want to pay more tax? How many want to volunteer? How many want to look after their elderly relatives?

How many want to save up for what they want and settle for less, and fewer things to make this work any more?

Labour Party was born in the ironworks, coal mines, slate quarries, large factories, all gone,

Corbyn delivered the worse general election result since 1935,
Blair the only Labour PM to win three consecutive general elections. These are facts

Caleo

I would like to see Corbyn back to lead a really moral, really socialist Labour party. I am afraid Labour is too populist . We must have taxation sufficient to pay for decent social care, NHS, and education.

It's about time that companied who trade in this country but are registered in their own country pay the current rate of companies tax to our country. I had a Company and we worked in Germany for just two weeks. We had to pay their 'VAT' rate to their government. Companies like Amazon get off too lightly

Labour became Tory lite during New Labour's long spell in government. I had hoped that Gordon Brown would return the party to its original principles but he wasn't afforded the chance. However, I am hopeful that, given time, my faith can be restored so I am presently ignoring the negative reports about the government from political correspondents and the media. Any pretence at non biased reporting has long gone. As for a new Corbyn/Sultana led party, I will be surprised if it gets off the ground but it's an entertaining diversion.

Sarnia

Time to leave the country!!!

Well don’t go near the US!

But Labour principles are rooted in people working down the mines etc etc. The country has changed since then and parties have to change and adapt. My simplistic take on politics is that Conservatives believe that money ( and with it social care etc) filters down from the rich, but Labour values start with those in society that need support. Which is why their current policies are jarring so many people. Having said that I also feel that the way in which people are helped and supported also has to change with the times ( which doesn’t mean that they’re taking that help away). I also think that the electorate are much more accepting of the Conservative Party making tough decisions than Labour. ( sorry for rambling on; just thinking out loud really).

Always tax tax tax. I'm sick of paying so much tax while so many sit back and take take take. There are too many takers and not enough paying into the system. If Corbyn ever got in this country really would be ruined.

Fully agree. Luckily I have dual citizenship and I'm seriously thinking of selling up and going.

whether or not you liked Corbyn, there is no denial that he was more aligned to the true Labour principles. Now we have 2 parties which are basically Tory and another led by Nigel Farage. His history is not for staying - his record as a Euro MP showed he seldom attended but claimed his expenses.

Regarding the ‘new party’, John McDonnell said, in an LBC interview, that he will not be joining any new party; he said he’s a member of the Labour Party and will remain so, hoping to get the whip restored.

Without big names and experience such as McDonnell, I think, this so-called new left party will remain out on the fringes.

My SiL says the news has become very Americanised and is like show business.
I have seen presenters chatting and giggling amongst themselves some wearing what looks like evening dress.
I have stopped watching a popular morning news programme because of the flippancy.

I also dislike the way the News is so much more 'showbiz' than it used to be. Every report signals the reporters and presenters above the news:
'Thanks Joe, now it's over to Sarah to tell us about the cost of cheese. Thanks, Sarah, now Tim will tell us the weather. That's great Tim, remember to use sunscreen everyone. Now it's goodnight from me, Scott, and Carol. Nasrene and Simon will be back at ten, and Carol and I will see you in the morning.'

😂

Renée: "Let's go over to Cardiff where Dylan is waiting to give us the latest news on the Oasis reunion which will take up the next 20 minutes of the programme. That's because there is nothing else happening in the world. Apart from weather"

Doodledog 👏👏👏 oh yes please

What do you mean by screening liberal programming?

I don't know if you are agreeing or disagreeing with me, but I really dislike the way News headlines interpret events instead of reporting them. Interviews are never going to be neutral, as politicians are always going to give a partial view in accordance with their beliefs and loyalties, but at least viewers know that. When a headline talks about a climbdown instead of an amendment, however, it is a very different matter.

I also dislike the way the News is so much more 'showbiz' than it used to be. Every report signals the reporters and presenters above the news:
'Thanks Joe, now it's over to Sarah to tell us about the cost of cheese. Thanks, Sarah, now Tim will tell us the weather. That's great Tim, remember to use sunscreen everyone. Now it's goodnight from me, Scott, and Carol. Nasrene and Simon will be back at ten, and Carol and I will see you in the morning.'

Just Tell Us The Flipping News!!

The problem is that people only want to hear news and current affairs reported in a way that reflects their own views. Both left and right think the national broadcaster leans too far ‘the other way’.

David49

“At one time, that sort of language would have been disallowed, as it is not simple reporting of the news allowing listeners or viewers to make up their own minds.”

That’s exactly the way the BBC lead viewers they do it in many other way by screening “liberal” programming. Many on GN will agree with BBC policy , that not surprising because the opinions expressed are predominantly liberal and leftist.

You still haven’t given any evidence if this. So I assume it is your opinion. With which I disagree.

I could say that the BBC is a supporter of Farage. But to support that claim I would need to provide evidence otherwise it is merely opinion.

David49 On the BBC issue I am non-aligned. like most things, it is like the curate's egg, good in parts.

At times I turn it off because I am so totally outraged by its partiality becasue I disgree with it and at other times, turning it up when I agree with its partiality

“At one time, that sort of language would have been disallowed, as it is not simple reporting of the news allowing listeners or viewers to make up their own minds.”

That’s exactly the way the BBC lead viewers they do it in many other way by screening “liberal” programming. Many on GN will agree with BBC policy , that not surprising because the opinions expressed are predominantly liberal and leftist.

David49

Newspapers are biased towards scares and scandal and generally anti government whoever is in power. The BBC has a distinctly leftist agenda, they probably have a big influence on “creating” the news. Social Media including GN reflects the view of the contributors, very left wing.

Left wing bias? The current government is hardly left, and it has had nothing but criticism from the BBC.

As an example, the language it uses when reporting on politics. Instead of saying that the Welfare Bill had been amended (neutral) it reported as a headline that KS had climbed down (biased).

At one time, that sort of language would have been disallowed, as it is not simple reporting of the news allowing listeners or viewers to make up their own minds.