Israel to conquer Gaza. Part 3

Experts, including Jewish people, have called the events in Gaza a genocide. It's unfolding before our eyes.

All I know is that there is a lot of anti Semitism here where I live. Nothing whatsoever to do with Gaza, that is just an excuse. Synagogue have been attacked and burnt with children inside and foul graffiti has been spread around. Disgusting. As for describing the awful events as genocide that is ridiculous in a war situation.

Oreo

growstuff do stop making things up.

I'm not making anything up and refuse to be gaslighted by you. Frankly, you don't matter.

If Trump stops sending arms to Israel and starts sensible negotiations with those countries that have a reason to want peace, then there is a possibility of finding a solution. Having some knowledge of how difficult it was to bring together the Oslo accords and the time that Clinton spent trying to get an agreement, I doubt Trump has either the skill or the patience to do the necessary hard work, but one can hope. Even then Hamas and the far right in Israel were not fully onboard and Israeli extremists killed their own PM rather than give way. So it's hardly surprising that posters on this forum don't understand enough of the politics of the region to suggest a viable solution. However I think most would agree that a proper ceasefire and return of what remains of the hostages would be a good start. It's what most of us have wanted since the end of 2023!

Probably as well to see what actually happens rather than talking about what may happen.
The main thing right now is a ceasefire and getting some hostages home.

growstuff do stop making things up.

I think the crazy Trump talk of hotels and casinos was just that, Trump running off at the mouth.
What is the answer then? It’s no good saying what you don’t like without suggesting something sensible.
There will be peace soon as it’s what Trump wants and what the government there wants and the Israeli people want too.
Once the hostages are handed back of course.
Hamas is finished in Gaza now.

Oreo I know what should not happen and that's the latest Israeli plan. I think we all know that the Palestinians will need aid for the foreseeable future and huge support to rebuild their lives and replace their infrastructure but that will only happen when there is a peace settlement. Netanyahu doesn't want peace, the people keeping him in power want to rid Gaza of Palestinians and Trump wants to build a resort with shopping malls, so the hope for a lasting peace looks pretty slim to me. At least for the time being. Palestinians are people just like you and me, they want a future for their children and somewhere to live in peace, just like the Jews wanted after WW2. The Zionist Jews fought for what they wanted, several of their PMs were wanted terrorists unable to travel freely away from Israel, that path brought them a homeland but they will never have a safe homeland until they find a diplomatic solution to those they deprived of their land and putting them in yet another smaller prison is not the answer.

Oreo

growstuff

Oreo

I’m not shutting anyone down, it would hardly work on here anyway.
I challenge the ‘evil genocide’ of course, because it isn’t.As I said earlier if it’s genocide then the IDF must be hopeless as there are two million Gazans there at the moment.
You are all getting critical of a plan that hasn’t even materialised as yet, and maybe never will, tho I can’t see another way to clear Gaza both of remaining clumps of hamas and dangerous buildings without building camps or one big camp to house and feed the population.

But it's your usual "modus operandi" to trya nad shut down threads you don't like.

I would ask for proof of that but know none would emerge as it’s something I don’t do.

Errr ... no it wouldn't emerge as something you don't do, but quite honestly you're not worth my time, so I won't be looking for "proof".

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But, Oreo, what looks likely to happen is not the same as what , in a civilised world, should happen

They are the only ones who will, once this conflict is over, nobody else wants the Palestinians or will help them.Aid will be sent in of course but that’s it.

And Oreo thinks that the regime that commands the IDF can also care for the IDF's victims

foxie48

"You are all getting critical of a plan that hasn’t even materialised as yet, and maybe never will, tho I can’t see another way to clear Gaza both of remaining clumps of hamas and dangerous buildings without building camps or one big camp to house and feed the population."

Well, fortunately, you will not be the one making the decision and hopefully there will be sufficient opposition to this plan that another solution will be found that allows innocent Palestinians to live a more normal life than being ghettoised in a camp in southern Gaza whilst Israeli settlers take over the north. I don't think anyone on this forum is sufficiently knowledgeable or competent to offer a solution to the problem but I think many know when a wolf is being disguised as a lamb and are prepared call it out. fwiw Gaza has always been effectively one big prison camp but this latest plan is designed not for the Palestinian's benefit but for Israel's and no one will get peace on that basis.

And fortunately foxie48 you aren’t the one making decisions either, which is really lucky as you, along with everyone else on here doesn’t know what to do and can’t say how Gazans should live when they no longer have homes or viable towns to live in.
Leave them to camp on a pile of rubble with no facilities?
Of course they will need tents or makeshift homes and food and medicine and schools for the children and general care.
A camp city isn’t a bad idea at least on a temporary basis for a while.Two million people is less than most cities in the world.

For me, Oreo, it's about changing minds. Fascism is evil no matter where and to whom it happens.

GENOCIDE is a noun which means the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the AIM of destroying that nation or group.

This is what is being done by the IDF, on behalf of Netanyahu, to the Palestinians in Gaza.

Perhaps there is another definition that can show us that what is happening in GAZA is not a GENOCIDE?

I have never compared 7th October 2023 with the Holocaust
and I can’t think of anything to compare with The Holocaust .

Meanwhile this morning 15 people were killed in an Israeli strike including 8 children. It happened at a US based clinic while people were waiting for supplements.
The IDF said they were after one member of Hamas and sorry others were killed. Sorry!

"You are all getting critical of a plan that hasn’t even materialised as yet, and maybe never will, tho I can’t see another way to clear Gaza both of remaining clumps of hamas and dangerous buildings without building camps or one big camp to house and feed the population."

Well, fortunately, you will not be the one making the decision and hopefully there will be sufficient opposition to this plan that another solution will be found that allows innocent Palestinians to live a more normal life than being ghettoised in a camp in southern Gaza whilst Israeli settlers take over the north. I don't think anyone on this forum is sufficiently knowledgeable or competent to offer a solution to the problem but I think many know when a wolf is being disguised as a lamb and are prepared call it out. fwiw Gaza has always been effectively one big prison camp but this latest plan is designed not for the Palestinian's benefit but for Israel's and no one will get peace on that basis.

I realise, and am sure that Anniebach does too, that it’s a heated subject that people all have different views on and we won’t be about to agree with one another on this.Lots of people lurk on forums and read posts even if they don’t write anything so I always think I will comment more to the ones who don’t post than to the ones who do.It isn’t about changing anyone’s mind just putting a point of view.

Yes, it must have been torture for them Annie but that's no excuse for what's happening in Gaza and for me, your posts often come across as if the Holocaust and the terrible events of October 7th 2023 justify what's happening now.

Well for me there is no justification for any of it.

Quote Whitewavemark2 Thu 10-Jul-25 15:53:55
Anniebach
Quote Smileless2012 Thu 10-Jul-25 15:30:58
Two wrongs don't make a right Annie; never have and never will.

I didn’t say they did , I do think after what Jews suffered in
The Holocaust the horrors of 7th October 2023 must have
been torture for them, not Never Again but “again? “
This is a false equivalence.

There is simply no comparison whatsoever.

I didn’t speak of comparisons , I asked a question , big difference?

growstuff

Oreo

I’m not shutting anyone down, it would hardly work on here anyway.
I challenge the ‘evil genocide’ of course, because it isn’t.As I said earlier if it’s genocide then the IDF must be hopeless as there are two million Gazans there at the moment.
You are all getting critical of a plan that hasn’t even materialised as yet, and maybe never will, tho I can’t see another way to clear Gaza both of remaining clumps of hamas and dangerous buildings without building camps or one big camp to house and feed the population.

But it's your usual "modus operandi" to trya nad shut down threads you don't like.

I would ask for proof of that but know none would emerge as it’s something I don’t do.

Anniebach

Quote Smileless2012 Thu 10-Jul-25 15:30:58
Two wrongs don't make a right Annie; never have and never will.

I didn’t say they did , I do think after what Jews suffered in
The Holocaust the horrors of 7th October 2023 must have
been torture for them, not Never Again but “again? “

This is a false equivalence.

There is simply no comparison whatsoever.

Oreo

I’m not shutting anyone down, it would hardly work on here anyway.
I challenge the ‘evil genocide’ of course, because it isn’t.As I said earlier if it’s genocide then the IDF must be hopeless as there are two million Gazans there at the moment.
You are all getting critical of a plan that hasn’t even materialised as yet, and maybe never will, tho I can’t see another way to clear Gaza both of remaining clumps of hamas and dangerous buildings without building camps or one big camp to house and feed the population.

But it's your usual "modus operandi" to trya nad shut down threads you don't like.