Norman Tebbit has died.

Grantanow

He wrote a very good game cookery book. I use the recipes.

Now that post is the one I have found most interesting on this thread. A new and surprising bit of information.

He wrote a very good game cookery book. I use the recipes.

An honest and upright person may honestly hold opinions that you find abhorrent

Exactly

MayBee70

Is it moral and upright to at one time support UKIP when they were at their most openly racist and be against single sex marriage?

You keep confusing honesty and uprightness with opinions on political and moral matters.

An honest and upright person may honestly hold opinions that you find abhorrent.

MayBee do you not know he certainly wasn’t alone in his views of gay clergy, he refused to attend a church service because a priest was gay, you made your opinion of the man
in this thread public, , no difference , his choice of words were
not polite but his opinion shared by many, within the Church and out

Many religions are against gay marriage Maybee, do you damn them all or do certain ones get a free pass as long as they are not also Tory?

Well it was sent to The Times and they chose not to publish it at the time. Does that mean it didn't exist? Or that The Times is lying?

Quote MayBee70 Fri 11-Jul-25 18:15:12
“ In a letter to The Times opposing homosexual law reform he described its journalist Matthew Parris as “the swivel-bottomed MP”. The letter was not published”.
From The Times obituary…

If the letter wasn’t published who made it public ?

“ In a letter to The Times opposing homosexual law reform he described its journalist Matthew Parris as “the swivel-bottomed MP”. The letter was not published”.
From The Times obituary…

Anniebach

I was and am against assisted dying and gender transition, gay
marriage has been legal since 2013 yes ? Was Tebbit campaigning against same sex marriage then ?

“
In 2004, he opposed the British Government's Civil Partnership Act 2004. In an interview for The Big Issue in May 2013, Lord Tebbit said that the coalition government's determination to pass the Marriage (Same Sex Couples) Bill had alienated grassroots Tories. He also speculated that it could mean that a lesbian queen could give birth to a future monarch by artificial insemination, and that the legislation might allow him to marry his own son to escape inheritance tax.[99]

In 2018, Tebbit said that he would not attend services at St Edmundsbury Cathedral conducted by new dean Joe Hawes, because of Hawes' civil partnership with another clergyman. Tebbit described Hawes as a "sodomite". Hawes said that he felt "absolutely no ill will" towards Tebbit for his comments and stated: "I have always admired the way in which Lord Tebbit has cared for his wife with such devotion following the Brighton”.
from wikipedia

I was and am against assisted dying and gender transition, gay
marriage has been legal since 2013 yes ? Was Tebbit campaigning against same sex marriage then ?

I don't think the assisted dying bill was moral or upright, I don't think that gender transition for children was moral or upright. Lots of lots of politicians supported both of those standpoints
By the way I know quite a number of gay people who were against gay marriage.

Quote MayBee70 Fri 11-Jul-25 17:28:04
Is it moral and upright to at one time support UKIP when they were at their most openly racist and be against single sex marriage?

What’s the connection ?

Is it moral and upright to at one time support UKIP when they were at their most openly racist and be against single sex marriage?

nightowl

I agree, I would have preferred to say nothing at all. But it irks to read posts that eulogise a person just because they’re dead, and because they were kind to their family, whilst being told to ignore their public life, that’s all. No more to say.

Norman Tebbit was more thaan just good to his family. He was an honest and upright man, whose thought processes led him to support policies I profoundly disagreed with.

Unfortunately morally upright and honest people like him are often very inflexible in their views, as I considered he always was. But my father was very similar.

Ok…so that’s Junglebub told! Anyone else for a ticking off for having beliefs that don’t fit?

The majority of posts on this thread seem to say that like most people he had a kind private side and was a conviction politician. I don’t see that as a bad thing even though I didn’t go along with all his theories.

The irony is that his suggestion that folks put themselves out to look for work is now being pushed by the Labour Party! Are they damned too?

Anniebach, all our opinions are equally valid. Those who comment on his politics should not be told their views are not welcome on the thread.

I never voted for him as my constituency MP, but I think we do need politicians like him, whatever party they are in: genuine work experience, clearly stated and consistent beliefs, and the drive to get things done when a minister.

Really, your opinion is more worthy than any other ?

“We desperately need politicians like him today. RIP to a thoroughly decent man”
This, for one. I think more people on this thread have pointed out how his policies affected them during the Thatchers years and yet we’ve all been told that caring for his wife absolved him of all of that. His brand of politics resulted in some of our lives being affected in ways that still affect us now.This is a news and politics thread so why should we remove the man from his politics? I often find out things about people in their obituaries that surprise me; random acts of kindness, charity work etc. But nothing I have read has changed my opinion of him. In fact it has reinforced it along with resurrecting painful memories of that time. And no, we don’t need more politicians like him now .

nightowl

I agree, I would have preferred to say nothing at all. But it irks to read posts that eulogise a person just because they’re dead, and because they were kind to their family, whilst being told to ignore their public life, that’s all. No more to say.

So who exactly eulogised him, night owl?

nightowl

I agree, I would have preferred to say nothing at all. But it irks to read posts that eulogise a person just because they’re dead, and because they were kind to their family, whilst being told to ignore their public life, that’s all. No more to say.

Noone is being told to ignore his public life. The concern is for the unnecessarily obnoxious comments on his personal life apparently because of disagreeing with his politics.

I agree, I would have preferred to say nothing at all. But it irks to read posts that eulogise a person just because they’re dead, and because they were kind to their family, whilst being told to ignore their public life, that’s all. No more to say.

Well said, Casdon

That is what many of us think and you have expressed it so well.

I can’t help but think of the Ronan Keating song ‘You say it best when you say nothing at all’ when I read threads like this.

When somebody, anybody, except a known dictator who has ordered death and destruction, dies, there should be some respect. Nearly always politicians who make it into senior roles are sincere, and doing what they think is right, even if we don’t agree with their policies at all, and straight after their death a sledgehammer is just wrong - instead, say nothing at all.