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Do the Labour Party have Communist policies?

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Wyllow3 Sat 12-Jul-25 12:33:59

Of course I fell out with Dad and Mum big time at 19, because they still sort of apologised for what Stalin had done. "Mistakes were made".

It was a terrible row, he shouted at me, but I felt I had been lied to.

He died a year later, but I often wondered how he would have fared when the Berlin Wall came down .

Because for many, an idealistic Communism was akin to a religion. My Dad in the 1930's was involved in the bitter fighting between Mosley, and Communists, fellow travellers, and Jewish friends.

In the financial and social depression of the 1930's, it's so understandable the dream of a fairer world appealed so strongly. But many got stuck, even my beloved sister, in the "hard liners". (we sung the "Red Flag" at her funeral - well, some did!

They stuck to their version of Communism right through the invasion of Hungary in 1956 and even C in 1968

Mamie Sat 12-Jul-25 12:32:07

nanna8

Just incompetence not communism though I believe Starmer is a Marxist at heart. Most here support him so he must have some (very) hidden talents along with his front bench.

Can you give us one example of when Starmer has shown any Marxist tendancies, sympathies or policies?
Obviously you will need to enlighten us with your definition of Marxism.

fancythat Sat 12-Jul-25 12:29:54

NotSpaghetti

^Do the Labour Party have Communist policies?^

No.
I don't understand why people think it.

Nor do I.

Who is thinking this?

Cant say I have noticed anyone on GN thinking that.
But I am not on all the n&p threads. By quite some way.

nanna8 Sat 12-Jul-25 12:25:10

Just incompetence not communism though I believe Starmer is a Marxist at heart. Most here support him so he must have some (very) hidden talents along with his front bench.

LizzieDrip Sat 12-Jul-25 12:05:56

Whitewavemark2

They can’t have communist policies because this is not a communist economy.

Some countries like the Scandinavian countries and indeed most European countries including the uk, have a mixed economy to a greater or less degree, whereby, parts of the economy is owned and run by the state, usually because of risk in supply etc.

So armed forces, police, etc. but many, (most) of these countries also have brought into the state owned mix, things like health, education, railways, water, energy etc. often stuff is brought into state control because it is not thought to be run in the country’s interest when privately owned - look at our water companies.

That sort of economy is seen as a social democratic economy, which is a mix of capitalism and socialism.

Works well and usually benefits the population as a whole.

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Whitewavemark2 Sat 12-Jul-25 11:58:56

They can’t have communist policies because this is not a communist economy.

Some countries like the Scandinavian countries and indeed most European countries including the uk, have a mixed economy to a greater or less degree, whereby, parts of the economy is owned and run by the state, usually because of risk in supply etc.

So armed forces, police, etc. but many, (most) of these countries also have brought into the state owned mix, things like health, education, railways, water, energy etc. often stuff is brought into state control because it is not thought to be run in the country’s interest when privately owned - look at our water companies.

That sort of economy is seen as a social democratic economy, which is a mix of capitalism and socialism.

Works well and usually benefits the population as a whole.

Galaxy Sat 12-Jul-25 11:54:24

No I don't even really think of them as 'of the left'.

Ilovecheese Sat 12-Jul-25 11:54:21

No they don't.

NotSpaghetti Sat 12-Jul-25 11:51:25

Do the Labour Party have Communist policies?

No.
I don't understand why people think it.

Wyllow3 Sat 12-Jul-25 11:39:47

There has been some confusion, over quite a long time on GN, by posters who suggest or state that the Labour Party has Communist policies

This is so incorrect, I decided to explain what Communism actual was both in theory and in the "Communist" states we have had/do have.

. My parents were Communists - and have also studied politics and economics at uni.

We haven’t ever had a ‘true” Communist society, but these are the features:

No one, no one at all, owns any private property, nor owns any businesses, nor own any land, nor the means of production, nor goods beyond their needs.



All run by the state, which in theory was post a workers revolution, and workers co-operatives.


In the original communist theory:

People are paid not according to their abilities, but their needs. 

All health and education and similar services are run by the state, no private opportunities at all. 



All receive a state pension/welfare is necessary however much they have paid in, ie, again, according to need, not savings and so on.



Of course, the societies called Communist did not reach this theoretical Communism, but there was certainly no private ownership or other kinds of ownership as described as above: and health, education and welfare all run by the state.

Note - meals were provided at work, and schools and all welfare places, but there was only a few years when meals were communally provided for those who wanted

Most people, as we do, wanted to eat at home except for lunch or other work breaks, where food was still supplied, and did so, once the turmoil of revolution ended

*But States we called Communist were was not run by Worker’s Co-operatives, they were run by supposedly free elections -

- hence the rise of those in power as we have known them, and the KGB et al*

I suggest we stop using the term Communist unless it is accurate.

It as happened so many times I decided to explain, and will again.

So.....hence this thread.