The U.K. has one of the lowest take up rate of the MMR vaccine in Europe

I think there is a difference in attitudes, because in France this is about fraternité and playing your part as a responsible citizen.
We noticed that during Covid a lot of French people said they would not have the vaccine as they didn't trust it and then they had it anyway.
You protest as that is your liberté and then you do it because that is what is expected of you, or legally required.

No-one ever offered me a free 'donut' or burger. Nor, to my knowledge, was anyone else offered them

No, I was never offered them. Must have missed the ‘free ‘donut’ and burger day!!!

fancythat

Casdon

fancythat

10% who might revolt, is a huge number.

But it’s okay in your book for the children who aren’t vaccinated to put other children who can’t be vaccinated for medical reasons, and young babies of other families at risk of serious illness or death because they aren’t yet fully vaccinated? That is the alternative.

I am not a poster child for anti vac.
As you see upthread i vaccinated my own.

People shoud be allowed to make their own personal choices.

I know, and I’m not saying you are anti vac yourself, I’m asking you if you think that in order to preserve the ability of some to choose, the children of others should be put at risk? The more children who aren’t vaccinated, the more children of others are put at risk, that is the dilemma.

Remember when free donuts and burgers were offered if you took a Covid shot?

No, tell me about it?

No-one ever offered me a free 'donut' or burger. Nor, to my knowledge, was anyone else offered them.

That was most definitely a red flag

A ‘red flag’ to what Robin202?

Yes question everything. Read others first hand experiences. Don’t take it all for granted. Consider who funds the trials. Consider how pharmaceutical companies make their money. Who are the cash cow demographics? - the very young and the elderly.
Remember when free donuts and burgers were offered if you took a Covid shot?
That was most definitely a red flag.

In the case of vaccines a child is statistically far more likely to suffer from catching the disease after not being vaccinated than they are likely to suffer from side effects which, though known, only affect a tiny minority of vaccinated children.

Medically speaking, Magenta8, is 100% correct here.
My DGS was one of the very few children badly affected by the MMR vaccine. It was awful, within 2 weeks of the vaccine being given, he was rushed to A & E covered in black bruises. I don't just mean rashes, these bruises looked like he had been beaten black and blue. Doctors at the hospital suspected leukaemia, his platelet count was in his boots. Luckily, one paediatrician thought outside the box and diagnosed ITP - Immune Thrombocytopenic Purpura - which can be caused by medications snd injections. My DGS was referred on to Barts, he was unable to fly abroad or play sports for quite some time and any tumble or periods of stress resulted in more bruises all over his body.

It was horrific and scary, BUT despite all this, and the reason for my lengthy post, is that the advice from specialists was, and is, to still have the vaccine ........ because a child is statistically far more likely to suffer from catching the disease after not being vaccinated.

Magenta8

fancythat

There is no medical procedure, or drug, which has a 100% safety record or efficacy.

That is the rub for some people.

The intelligent thing to do, as with many decisions in life, is to evaluate the risks. In the case of vaccines a child is statistically far more likely to suffer from catching the disease after not being vaccinated than they are likely to suffer from side effects which, though known, only affect a tiny minority of vaccinated children.

The decision to vaccinate or not is not a matter of opinion as, for instance, the decision to circumcise a boy.

Yes

Whitewavemark2

fancythat

Whitewavemark2

Still think that the French have got it cracked. Wonder if the Germans do the same as their take up is in the 90s?

Forced vaccinations would cause a national revolt in the Uk. In my opinion.
Also a vote loser.

Almost certainly not, particularly if it is sold in the correct way.

There is no difference in parents in Germany, France or the U.K.

Oh yes there are differences.

Like saying the 2 countries, or any 3 countries are exactly the same in the world.
They are clearly not.

Casdon

fancythat

10% who might revolt, is a huge number.

But it’s okay in your book for the children who aren’t vaccinated to put other children who can’t be vaccinated for medical reasons, and young babies of other families at risk of serious illness or death because they aren’t yet fully vaccinated? That is the alternative.

I am not a poster child for anti vac.
As you see upthread i vaccinated my own.

People shoud be allowed to make their own personal choices.

fancythat

^There is no medical procedure, or drug, which has a 100% safety record or efficacy.^

That is the rub for some people.

The intelligent thing to do, as with many decisions in life, is to evaluate the risks. In the case of vaccines a child is statistically far more likely to suffer from catching the disease after not being vaccinated than they are likely to suffer from side effects which, though known, only affect a tiny minority of vaccinated children.

The decision to vaccinate or not is not a matter of opinion as, for instance, the decision to circumcise a boy.

fancythat

Whitewavemark2

Still think that the French have got it cracked. Wonder if the Germans do the same as their take up is in the 90s?

Forced vaccinations would cause a national revolt in the Uk. In my opinion.
Also a vote loser.

Almost certainly not, particularly if it is sold in the correct way.

There is no difference in parents in Germany, France or the U.K.

fancythat

10% who might revolt, is a huge number.

But it’s okay in your book for the children who aren’t vaccinated to put other children who can’t be vaccinated for medical reasons, and young babies of other families at risk of serious illness or death because they aren’t yet fully vaccinated? That is the alternative.

fancythat

10% who might revolt, is a huge number.

How many parents of vaccination age children do you think there are? 10% is probably a very few 1,000s.

Government could declare them to be terrorists and lock them up… After all, protest is now frowned on in the UK

It would also reek of yet more state control.
In one of the worst ways - a family's health.

10% who might revolt, is a huge number.

fancythat

Whitewavemark2

Still think that the French have got it cracked. Wonder if the Germans do the same as their take up is in the 90s?

Forced vaccinations would cause a national revolt in the Uk. In my opinion.
Also a vote loser.

I very much doubt it, the British don’t ‘do’ revolution. They’d just grumble a bit.

Whitewavemark2

Still think that the French have got it cracked. Wonder if the Germans do the same as their take up is in the 90s?

Yes, it’s mandatory in Germany for children attending nursery or school.

I don’t agree with fancythat that there would be a revolt in the UK if childhood vaccinations became mandatory, because I don’t think the majority of children who don’t have them have parents who have a strong objection, it’s more down to forgetfulness and neglect, and children who for strong medical reasons have vaccinations delayed or not given. Those parents won’t revolt, and the perhaps 10% who would (figure based on uptake in France and Germany) would have some tough choices to take.

Whitewavemark2

Still think that the French have got it cracked. Wonder if the Germans do the same as their take up is in the 90s?

Forced vaccinations would cause a national revolt in the Uk. In my opinion.
Also a vote loser.

I caught measles as a small child and lost the sight of an eye. A short while after, I caught whooping cough. I don't remember it as I was around 2 years old at the time but my mother told me that I was very ill.
My first born was very ill at birth and we were advised not to have him vaccinated against whooping cough.
At the age of 3 he caught whooping cough whilst I was pregnant with baby number 2.
It was almost 6 months before he was fully recovered.
It was terrifying listening your child gasping for breath after a spasm of coughing.
Baby number 2 had every vaccination going.

Still think that the French have got it cracked. Wonder if the Germans do the same as their take up is in the 90s?

I got measles when about six years old. Hadn’t had a vaccine as thought mum didn’t agree with them but maybe it wasn’t available. I spent about six months in a dark room to conserve my eyesight. My headteacher came around to ask why I wasn’t at school.

SusieB50

Whoops my post should read 3 individual doses not proof read apologies 🙄

I did wonder!

Whoops my post should read 3 individual doses not proof read apologies 🙄

Whitewavemark2

I suffered very badly with whopping cough, and gave my parents many sleepless and fearful nights.

There was a big scare about pertussis vaccines when DC1 was a baby so we decided not to have her vaccinated. No-one I knew did either. Our GP told us the disease was a thing of the past anyway.

Of course she caught whooping cough, sleepless nights, wheezing for a very long time afterwards.