Sandie Peggie/NHS Fife Tribunal case resumes

Ilovecheese

Is Isla Bunba going to be the sacrificial lamb?

I was vaguely aware of a tribunal of some kind but not been following, I have no idea who Isla Bunba is, off to google it......

Bestbookever

No one has ever 'transitioned.'
Regardless of what they cut off or stitch on, they remain the sex they were born with.
And he does not believe he is a woman, he knows he is a man, after all, he is a doctor.
But this is how he performs his fetish at the expense of the women he works with.

He has already stated that he believes biological sex to be a 'nebulous dog whistle', which is an extremely concerning view for a doctor to hold, IMO.

No one has ever 'transitioned.'
Regardless of what they cut off or stitch on, they remain the sex they were born with.
And he does not believe he is a woman, he knows he is a man, after all, he is a doctor.
But this is how he performs his fetish at the expense of the women he works with.

He made really nasty and unsubstantiated allegations about her including that she failed to look after patients. This has been dismissed. Surely that's a malicious act. Massive compensation due.
Meanwhile, what happens to Dr Upton next? Who will want to employ him? Which nurse would be willing to work with such a proven bully?

Good comments FranP

eazybee

According to Robin Moira White, a barrister who identifies as a transwoman, they are simply awaiting the guidance on the treatment of transwomen to be finalised, then they will all troop off to the E,C.H.R. who will overthrow the Supreme Court's judgement and they will all be able to behave exactly as before.
He wishes.

Another reason to leave the ECHR.

If they have transitioned and are without their bits, then I am OK with sharing facilities.
Not sure that I would be able to tell the difference in a lot of cases, but an entire large male is a different story and so this is not about the generic debate, but about this specific case. If he truly believes he/she a woman then why is he/she behaving like a man, bullying his/her way into his/her rights over other's needs.

My feeling is that they have grown up in a world that automatically bestows a right of way on men, so they really have NO idea what it is to be a woman - to grow up being excluded/restricted/ignored/quieted down/discriminated against; to have periods and all that entails. Exercising their rights comes as second nature, assuming automatically that they have them because they want them.

Many, especially in sport, seem to not accept that their physical strength and presence has just gone away because they think they feel like a woman. I have a 6ft well built lady friend, a very feminine lady, who gently glides into a room and does not get into my space, because from an early age her mother conditioned her to do so. (She does not have muscles or male strength either) It is possible that "Beth" has no idea that he needs to do so, especially if he is a hospital doctor (not known as a group for their timidity)

Women have always been subjected to men! you know what I mean, throughout the ages and even now in some present countries! women are treated as lesser than men

apologies if this offends but that is what I seem, what are trans men like? do we ever hear of them creating?

Sandie Peggy is a modern day suffragette, standing up for women's rights. She has had 18 months of stress preparing for and giving evidence in her ongoing case against Dr 'Beth' Upton. Dr Upton complained that he, a 6 foot biological male, was intimidated by the much shorter & slimmer Nurse Pegg in the women's changing room.

Why women are expected to accommodate these ludicrous men who decide, frequently in later life after marriage & children, that they are actually a woman, is beyond me. If they want to cross dress that is their choice, but that does not give them access to women's spaces, organisations and sports. Eddie Izzard is a prime example of this. For years he was a transvestite, and accepted as such, then suddenly he is Susie Izzard, still a cross dressing male but now joining the bandwagon that demands to be accepted into women's cloakrooms, hospital wards, prisons, etc etc. Like Dr Upton, Mr Izzard is a totally intact male, yet demands that women accept him in their private spaces. The Supreme Court decision that the only women are biological women was a landmark decision and the change has begun. It will be a long journey but our granddaughters will benefit from the stand of women like Sandie Peggy.

I am very pleased for Sandie Peggie. We should have a right to women only spaces. As I have said before, I don’t have a problem with trans people but they should have their own spaces for whatever sex they choose to be.

I think I am hopeful, pretty much every recent court case has gone in favour of the gender critical viewpoint, but we need to acknowledge that there are some people who can never give up this fight, how can they? If you have been told again and again that you are a woman, if you have undergone irreversible surgery because people said that would make you a woman then you are always going to fight this battle.

women aren't allowed to raise concerns. It's happening in health and education
I'm glad the nurse has clear boundaries in place to know what the law actually says

Labour aren't helping are they. Hasn't KS worked out 'what a woman' is yet?

According to Robin Moira White, a barrister who identifies as a transwoman, they are simply awaiting the guidance on the treatment of transwomen to be finalised, then they will all troop off to the E,C.H.R. who will overthrow the Supreme Court's judgement and they will all be able to behave exactly as before.
He wishes.

FGS why on earth are trans women still accessing the women only pond when it's already been stipulated that only biological women are women?

Good news! We're not out of the woods yet with these matters in spite of court rulings. The Trans Rights Alliance, one of the trans factions inside Labour, have put forward a trans woman, Steph Richards, for the role of Women's Officer embroiling Labour in a fresh row over trans rights. They/them were previously CEO of an endometriosis charity and an advocate of ladyman breastfeeding, there's an oxymoron if ever there was one. Meanwhile the row over transgender women accessing the women only ponds on Hampstead Heath rumbles on and is set to reach the High Court, so the outcome of that will be interesting. There is already a men only pond and a mixed swimming pond, so with transwomen still accessing the women only pond, in fact as it stands now it's one men only and two mixed. Mixed is never good enough though, cos men men, the ones that identify as well men are in there with their manly swimming trunks why would they/them in their lady swimming cossies want to get in mixed murky waters with trunk wearers at worst budgie smugglers

Anyway so pleased for Nurse Sandie Peggie. Well done!

Smileless2012

So is this idiotic tribunal over?

No, it's still continuing.

Is Isla Bunba going to be the sacrificial lamb?

So is this idiotic tribunal over?