A drop in the ocean in the great schemes of things....but replicated by how many more

Surely people aren't still using the right wing funding nonsense. I mean that claim was laughable a decade ago.

Oh and women even women who may hold views we don't like are entitled to spaces without men.

Galaxy

Oh and women even women who may hold views we don't like are entitled to spaces without men.

Well said Galaxy

This whole debacle is about a man imposing their own wishes on a woman then expecting the woman to ‘go elsewhere’ or even better to be dismissed.
The sheer cheek of it is breathtaking.
Also the fact that a trained doctor really believes he is a woman.

Precisely Oreo. If found myself in the care of Dr Upton, I’d request to see another Doctor. I wonder if I’d be refused treatment as a result. All those signs in hospitals saying to treat staff with dignity and respect or else

If you (a woman) were in a women's changing room and another woman came in with a menstrual flood requiring a change of clothes, surely you would ask if you could help and then, if not, you would leave her in privacy as soon as you could. Dr Upton could have shown that kind of consideration and then this whole thing would never have happened.

Dr Upton should not have been in that changing room.

It’s difficult not to conclude that Dr Upton dmintrsted misogynistic behaviour. Male privilege

Before Lea Thomas' reign as bogus women's swimming champion ended, I believe the complaints in the locker room were numerous, not least from the women forced to share complaining of him exposing his genitals whilst undressing. Any complaints were of course dealt with in the usual way since the world entered into a state of complicit madness, "you women go and change in the toilets" so they did, forced into that small area, whilst the man had the entire women's locker room to himself.

In the Sandie Peggie debacle, a man will never be able to understand some of the issues surrounding menstruation when a heavy period would soak through clothing and the urgency to deal with that. It would certainly have a startling and effect to enter what should be a sanctuary for women at such a time, only to find a man in there.

These are the men who feel it's their god given right to override women's feelings and what they want should be absolutely paramount. Possibly this is more of a male characteristic that a female one, women historically have been expected to capitulate to men. I hesitate to say male entitlement, because that besmirches all men and many are on the side of women in this matter, I know my man is.

I believe Upton had used,( tried to use?) the female changing rooms twice previously, but Sandra Peggie left immediately.
The third time she was in the process of washing and in a state of undress. He refused to leave, asserting his (mistaken) right to be there and began to undress.

I have more thoughts about this but as the Tribunal is in progress best not to express them. But if they have occurred to me they will have occurred to S.P's Barrister.

Galaxy

Surely people aren't still using the right wing funding nonsense. I mean that claim was laughable a decade ago.

So where is the money coming from then?

eazybee

I believe Upton had used,( tried to use?) the female changing rooms twice previously, but Sandra Peggie left immediately.
The third time she was in the process of washing and in a state of undress. He refused to leave, asserting his (mistaken) right to be there and began to undress.

I have more thoughts about this but as the Tribunal is in progress best not to express them. But if they have occurred to me they will have occurred to S.P's Barrister.

Dr Upton did have a right to be there. She was told by the management that was appropriate, and she followed that advice.
She was doing nothing wrong by changing in a changing room that she had been explicity told she could use.
Giving her dogs abuse for doing that, calling her names behind her back, that's not right, and that's why the nurse was suspended, for bullying another staff member who had done nothing wrong.

Glasweegran you’re determined to support Upton, why ? S/he could have recognised Peggie’s situation and said hey, I’ll come back later , take care. Or something similar. Most women walking in on that would have empathised, their own needs would be secondary

Dr. Upton did not have a right to be there. He had, apparently, sought permission but the person who agreed had no authority to grant it, as there was no policy in place, and certainly no discussion with female staff members had been conducted.
It was made perfectly clear to him that his presence was making the female occupant uncomfortable, particularly as she was dealing with the consequences of a heavy menstrual flood. Any considerate person, male or female, would have left immediately, instead of which he insisted on staying and began to undress, apparently determined to provoke maximum embarrassment. Such behaviour from a doctor in particular was reprehensible, and from a much younger man to an older colleague, disrespectful.
He then compounded his actions by spending the next day, Christmas Day, attempting to get Sandie Peggie sacked. An extremely unpleasant person, and highly unsuitable for the medical profession.

The law firms are laughing all the way to the bank and far beyond.......

What money? I have been waiting for my right wing money for years. Nothing. Most disappointing.
It is women organising, fundraising, as they have always done. People find it threatening but that has always been the case.

to be in women's spaces. Each organisation that believes that isn't the case will face legal challenges. There is another similar case about to proceed regarding the NHS.

Sorry half my text disappeared. Dr Upton is a man and men have no right to be in women's spaces.

I thought as a country we are skint.

We are. Partly because of this sort of stuff.

House prices are coming down.
That wakes a few people up.
Though may not be as many on GN for obvious reasons. Though they do care about problems gc have.

But even then, some will give any number of reasons other than the obvious ones.
I dont even want to list what reasons will be given!

keepingquiet

There is no shortage of money in this country- that's a myth told to keep poor people poor.

We are in fact a very wealthy country it is just that some who have lots of it don't want to share it out...

I agree. I also think that justice should not depend on money, so should never be means-tested. Precedent in law should be made to benefit all of us, not just those rich enough to pay for it or poor enough to get it free.

Nevertheless, it seems obvious to me that men should not be in women’s spaces.

Everything has to be investigated and nothing comes out of it, all thats needed in most cases us common sense and there's enough laws to cover most things.
Why even listen to appeals from grooming gangs, deport the lot of them and their families who cover up for them, what about their victims they need the money not those vile creatures. It’s about time we focused on the victims.
The Sandra Peggie case, of course that an internal matter, just what are the managers paid for? That intact make knew he was pushing boundaries and should be sacked. I am fed up with my tax being paid out to such cases,

More expensive obfuscation. Why?
14 April 2026 BBC website
The government intends to publish new guidance on single-sex spaces next month after elections on the 7 May,2026 equalities minister Bridget Phillipson has said.
Updated draft guidance was submitted by the Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC) on Monday, but election rules mean the government is "unable to make further announcements on the matter at this time", Phillipson told MPs in a written statement.

The watchdog's Code of Practice, which provides guidance to organisations on applying equalities law, was being redrafted after the Supreme Court ruled the definition of a woman under the Equality Act should be based on biological sex.
A first draft was submitted for approval in September but it has since undergone changes.
EHRC chair Dr Mary-Ann Stephenson said the latest amendments were made after receiving a "narrow set of comments" from the government, and having considered consultation responses and legal advice.
She said the amendments "aim to strengthen duty bearers' understanding of the law and how it applies across a range of the scenarios they encounter day-to-day".
Stephenson said it would ensure "all service users are treated with dignity and respect, in line with the Equality Act".

keepingquiet

There is no shortage of money in this country- that's a myth told to keep poor people poor.

We are in fact a very wealthy country it is just that some who have lots of it don't want to share it out...

They certainly don't. They prefer to pit people against each other, it's easier.

Glasweegran

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx20eglgmgjo

Thanks for this back ground information Glasweegram.