Soft justice

If individuals breach community orders there is a system to go through Oreo.
There are consequences.
It doesn't just go away you know.
There's a good number of successful and compliant offenders.

Where did you find this? -

Apparently few people turn up for those rehabilitation activity requirements

Whilst some will not do it, this is not my experience.

www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/outlines/breach-of-a-community-order/

As an aside to my post above I think a hefty fine would be the best thing for all those well meaning dipsticks carrying placards that say ‘I support Action Palestine’. And if they repeat offend then doubling it and so on.
Wouldn’t last long that way.

NotSpaghetti

The point is that it's not just a fine.
It's a community order.

A 12-month community order with 10 rehabilitation activity requirement days for the offences.

Apparently few people turn up for those rehabilitation activity requirements and there aren’t enough staff to chase them up.
The fine may hurt tho, hitting people in their pockets is usually the best way.

eazybee your foster carer friend’s experience tends to confirm that removal of children doesn’t bring people to their senses (sadly)

corrections "one of the most free judiciaries in the world"

and "tedious and predictable"

Luckygirl3

Sago

While Lucy Connolly languishes in jail.

Hang your head in shame Starmer.

I was not aware that Starmer was the judge/magistrate in either case. In fact I think his stance was that as a politician he could not comment on the decision of the courts and that the due legal process should be free of political interference.

This sort of blaming of politicians for everything that happens, even if it has nothing to do with them, and lack of awareness of the juridical system makes me question whether there should be some sort of test before people are allowed to vote ......

Yup.

Tedios and predictable. For goodness sake, we have one for th most free judiciaries in the world.

what on earth do posters think Starmer has to do with whether a woman in a pub was drunk/troubled etc and how on earth has Lucy Connolly got any relevance to this whatsoever.

Blimey.

There is a considerable difference between inciting riot and a single drunken assault.

A man punching a police officer would get jailed for sure

Let's hope this is the case then for the Manchester Airport thugs

Exactly my point. Perhaps the removal of their children for a short period might bring them to their senses.
I have a friend who does short term fostering for children in these situations, and it is clear many of the children suffer serious neglect. They then have a period of regular meals and bedtimes, fresh air, play and adults who are interested in them, are happily settled then mother returns and the cycle starts again.

Sensible question eazybee but honestly, we have many parents who abuse substances and get over emotional, or fall asleep

Is this mother a suitable person to be looking after children?

A man who was a sole carer would be viewed the same way as a sole carer mum

Judges bend over backwards for the sake of the children more than because they're worried about the care costs.
I think the sentence sounds OK too.

A man punching a police officer would get jailed for sure, this woman didn’t because her children would have had to have been put into care at great cost. Judges bend over backwards to avoid that.
Personally think the sentence was correct but a man on the same circumstances probably wouldn’t.

BBC News - Doctor and husband jailed for selling stolen PPE on eBay
www.bbc.com/news/articles/ckgl8qn1we8o
How about this one. I thought I had read the worst of what was happening during the pandemic but this is hard to take. I wonder if the doctor will be struck off when she comes out of jail.

I am amazed that we are all on a grandparents forum and yet some people think that sentences are given by the party in power (or the PM) and that Judges make things up rather than following guidelines.

The sentencing guidelines are what the judiciary follow. They are guided, don’t act randomly

A youth who was showing off to his chums in his car, killed a young girl on a zebra crossing. He received a 16 month community order and 2 year driving ban (he had no insurance, of course).

The half wits who cut down the sycamore gap tree, received prison sentences of several years.

I can't work out the logic of the judiciary.

So she didn't walk free from court. False news.

NotSpaghetti

The point is that it's not just a fine.
It's a community order.

A 12-month community order with 10 rehabilitation activity requirement days for the offences.

And in the UK our judiciary is independent, the law sentenced Mrs Connolly for the offence she committed

Judicial....

Sago

While Lucy Connolly languishes in jail.

Hang your head in shame Starmer.

I was not aware that Starmer was the judge/magistrate in either case. In fact I think his stance was that as a politician he could not comment on the decision of the courts and that the due legal process should be free of political interference.

This sort of blaming of politicians for everything that happens, even if it has nothing to do with them, and lack of awareness of the juridical system makes me question whether there should be some sort of test before people are allowed to vote ......

Sago

While Lucy Connolly languishes in jail.

Hang your head in shame Starmer.

Was Starmer in the pub too, then? Was he cheering her on?

The point is that it's not just a fine.
It's a community order.

A 12-month community order with 10 rehabilitation activity requirement days for the offences.

I would imagine the fine is reflective of this sort of crime. It must be an incredibly difficult job being a police officer these days