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Sarnia Fri 18-Jul-25 08:30:26

Lucy Cleary, a single mother of 3, walked free from court after been charged with assaulting a policewoman. The Police had been called because this woman was throwing chairs and glasses around the Weatherspoons pub where she had been drinking. No mention of where her 3 children were but good to see she isn't wasting her state handouts. According to witnesses she 'rained blows' on the female officer but when she appeared in court she argued that she had 'only' hit the officer once. The dozy magistrate accepted her version of accounts and that her being drunk had been the cause of all the trouble. She was let off with a fine and community order.

nanna8 Fri 18-Jul-25 08:35:56

You have to actually say nasty things online to be jailed. Doing nasty things doesn’t count.

NotSpaghetti Fri 18-Jul-25 08:44:20

Not sure where your info is from Sarnia but she did not blame being drunk and she didn't only get a fine from a "dozy" magistrate.

Her lawyer Hannah Kelly said: “ It was one push and one punch, and she accepts the injury. There's no attempt to blame here, she does not minimise her behaviour or blame alcohol.

District Judge Ian Barnes sentenced Cleary to a 12-month community order with 10 rehabilitation activity requirement days for the offences.

He also fined her £160 and ordered her to pay £300 in compensation to PC Lowe and £50 to the pub for the damage and mess she caused.

He told her: "That punch was used against an emergency worker, a police officer just doing their job, and I have seen the injury. They have a nasty lump to their head afterwards.

'You were also making comments in the police station, suggesting perhaps there was little remorse. But I expect that was in drink, and I suspect on reflection you have different views.

You were a lady of good character and that is relevant. You have also pleaded guilty so you are entitled to full credit for that.''

The judge also imposed a licensed premises exclusion order forbidding her from going to the Penny Black pub for 12 months.

NotSpaghetti Fri 18-Jul-25 08:47:05

I read that the woman she had the argument with is also going to court in due course.

Sago Fri 18-Jul-25 09:11:34

While Lucy Connolly languishes in jail.

Hang your head in shame Starmer.

Chocolatelovinggran Fri 18-Jul-25 13:13:32

Sago, as I have posted before, the judiciary in Britain is independent of the government, unlike the USA .

JaneJudge Fri 18-Jul-25 13:19:47

I would imagine the fine is reflective of this sort of crime. It must be an incredibly difficult job being a police officer these days sad

NotSpaghetti Fri 18-Jul-25 13:46:44

The point is that it's not just a fine.
It's a community order.

A 12-month community order with 10 rehabilitation activity requirement days for the offences.

Elegran Fri 18-Jul-25 13:54:46

Sago

While Lucy Connolly languishes in jail.

Hang your head in shame Starmer.

Was Starmer in the pub too, then? Was he cheering her on?

Luckygirl3 Fri 18-Jul-25 13:55:38

Sago

While Lucy Connolly languishes in jail.

Hang your head in shame Starmer.

I was not aware that Starmer was the judge/magistrate in either case. In fact I think his stance was that as a politician he could not comment on the decision of the courts and that the due legal process should be free of political interference.

This sort of blaming of politicians for everything that happens, even if it has nothing to do with them, and lack of awareness of the juridical system makes me question whether there should be some sort of test before people are allowed to vote ......

Luckygirl3 Fri 18-Jul-25 13:56:04

Judicial....

Iam64 Fri 18-Jul-25 13:59:25

NotSpaghetti

The point is that it's not just a fine.
It's a community order.

A 12-month community order with 10 rehabilitation activity requirement days for the offences.

And in the UK our judiciary is independent, the law sentenced Mrs Connolly for the offence she committed

Parsley3 Fri 18-Jul-25 14:04:21

So she didn't walk free from court. False news.

dalrymple23 Fri 18-Jul-25 14:10:04

A youth who was showing off to his chums in his car, killed a young girl on a zebra crossing. He received a 16 month community order and 2 year driving ban (he had no insurance, of course).

The half wits who cut down the sycamore gap tree, received prison sentences of several years.

I can't work out the logic of the judiciary.

Iam64 Fri 18-Jul-25 14:16:32

The sentencing guidelines are what the judiciary follow. They are guided, don’t act randomly

NotSpaghetti Fri 18-Jul-25 14:36:12

I am amazed that we are all on a grandparents forum and yet some people think that sentences are given by the party in power (or the PM) and that Judges make things up rather than following guidelines.

Parsley3 Fri 18-Jul-25 15:17:38

BBC News - Doctor and husband jailed for selling stolen PPE on eBay
www.bbc.com/news/articles/ckgl8qn1we8o
How about this one. I thought I had read the worst of what was happening during the pandemic but this is hard to take. I wonder if the doctor will be struck off when she comes out of jail.

David49 Fri 18-Jul-25 17:15:11

A man punching a police officer would get jailed for sure, this woman didn’t because her children would have had to have been put into care at great cost. Judges bend over backwards to avoid that.
Personally think the sentence was correct but a man on the same circumstances probably wouldn’t.

valdavi Fri 18-Jul-25 19:34:51

Judges bend over backwards for the sake of the children more than because they're worried about the care costs.
I think the sentence sounds OK too.

Iam64 Fri 18-Jul-25 21:22:28

A man who was a sole carer would be viewed the same way as a sole carer mum

eazybee Sat 19-Jul-25 07:54:59

Is this mother a suitable person to be looking after children?

Iam64 Sat 19-Jul-25 08:14:03

Sensible question eazybee but honestly, we have many parents who abuse substances and get over emotional, or fall asleep

eazybee Sat 19-Jul-25 11:19:42

Exactly my point. Perhaps the removal of their children for a short period might bring them to their senses.
I have a friend who does short term fostering for children in these situations, and it is clear many of the children suffer serious neglect. They then have a period of regular meals and bedtimes, fresh air, play and adults who are interested in them, are happily settled then mother returns and the cycle starts again.

Spinnaker Sat 19-Jul-25 11:30:51

A man punching a police officer would get jailed for sure

Let's hope this is the case then for the Manchester Airport thugs

Grantanow Wed 06-Aug-25 23:36:56

There is a considerable difference between inciting riot and a single drunken assault.