Brexit. We never stood a chance. The elites were against it.

MaizieD

PoliticsNerd

All the polls suggest that we would exit Brexit if a referendum was held today.

This is simply not true and people really shouldn't be misled in this way. Some polls give a result closer than others but a quick check shows they generally and currently positively polling for return.

Whether that is the best way or whether we should be more like Norway in this is a separate but important discussion.

How can you even assume a polling company, asking if you would leave the EU today, is done by any sort of sound organisation? We have left. The question is irrelevant.

Have you misinterpreted MOnica's statement that All the polls suggest that we would exit Brexit if a referendum was held today. PN?

Because you actually draw the same conclusion: a quick check shows they generally and currently positively polling for return. i.e return to the EU

You're right! I must stop trying to post as I'm on my way out!!

So sorry M0nica.

Let’s be honest, people voted Brexit because they thought it would stop immigration. I have yet to read of any concrete proof that it was a good move. In fact immigration has increased exponentially since we left.

fancythat

^Many “elites” were in favour of Brexit as it meant they could operate outside EU tax regulations. Johnson, Gove, Farage, Frost et al are all “elites”,^

I personally do not class them as anywhere near, elite!
Nowhere remotely close.

i couldn't agree more. All four may be in the papers a lot, but Johnson and Gove are both busted flushes. No one beleives them or takes any notice of them now they ae out of power.

Frosst seems to have disappeared without trace to the House of Lords and Farage. Farage? elite? the wide-mouthed frog? My goodness your definition of elite really does scrape the bottom of the barrel.

LizzieDrip

FriedGreenTomatoes2

We are just lied to constantly.

I agree we were lied to on a grand scale.

Begs the question why anyone would believe the head liar, NF, ever again🤷‍♀️

I so agree LizzieDrip, Farage has the gift of the gab and not a lot else.

Many “elites” were in favour of Brexit as it meant they could operate outside EU tax regulations. Johnson, Gove, Farage, Frost et al are all “elites”,

I personally do not class them as anywhere near, elite!
Nowhere remotely close.

Newdawn

Surely safer in Europe and with combined defences stronger too.

That's the rub.
Others think the exact opposite.

Because they have looked at the alternative and decided he is closer to their beliefs than the others.

Tallulah21

The most frightening thing is that people still believe Farage and his lies. This deeply divisive man is given so much media attention with his fake patriotic soundbites. Heaven help us if he ever gains an iota of power and we are forced to leave the ECHR

I agree Tallulah21.

I find it unbelievable that anyone would believe a word that comes out of Farage’s mouth, after his lies about Brexit.

People now accept that ‘we were lied to’ about Brexit, yet still believe Farage when he says ‘not my fault; it just wasn’t implemented proper - honest guv’!

The man is a charlatan; he gaslighted millions of people. Why would anyone buy his snake oil again?

To be conned once - not your fault!
To be conned by the same conman again - come on…

Newdawn

Surely safer in Europe and with combined defences stronger too.

That’s what NATO is for.We are still in Europe btw.

The Government implimented it but Cameron did warn everyone they would be worse off and no one listened. I never voted for it.

Many “elites” were in favour of Brexit as it meant they could operate outside EU tax regulations. Johnson, Gove, Farage, Frost et al are all “elites”, so it’s hardly accurate to say all “elites” were against it. Those who were against it were against it for a reason - it was an unworkable idea which would harm the U.K. - put up prices, affect businesses, create division, increase racism etc. all this has come to pass.

Surely safer in Europe and with combined defences stronger too.

growstuff

fancythat

Maremia

Yes, let's be like Belarus and Russia and leave the ECHR, because those countries sure do look after the human rights of their citizens. Don't they?

I would like to think we could manage to leave the ECHR, without turning into them!

I would like to think all sorts of things ...

But it doesn't mean they'll happen.

The ECHR protects ordinary citizens from its own governments. Do you really want to give up that kind of protection?

PS. It has nothing to do with EU, so why is it relevant ti this thread?

Nothing to stop us writing hopefully the parts we like.

Loads of Uk laws get changed every single day.

I apologise. I should have made my post clearer. In less convoluted language this is what my last post was actually saying

Almost every current poll from reputable and irreputable sources show that if a referendum was held tomorrow, the majority vote would be in favour of returning to the EU, if at all possible.

Does anyone know any advantage Brexit gave us?

The most frightening thing is that people still believe Farage and his lies. This deeply divisive man is given so much media attention with his fake patriotic soundbites. Heaven help us if he ever gains an iota of power and we are forced to leave the ECHR

Trump is destroying the USA. He's even destroying the foundational principles of US citizenship

'Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,

Yup, says Trump. Bring them on. We have some nice concentration camps ready for them..

Disgusting...

My apologies Fried, and wishing you the best.

But that's not because he is an ally. It's because he wants to 'queen it' over our King this September.
Trump doesn't have allies. He has Family and he has staff.

We never benefitted as much as we could Cossy because full steam ahead never happened.

Theresa May, Olly Robbins etc.

Thank you for welcoming me back. 😊
Things are still tough at home but we have hope.

Trump is giving us more favourable tariffs than he’s giving the EU Maremia. Don’t laugh. It’s true.

'Scuse me while I laugh. I do love a comedy post.
In which way could Trump ever be a good ally?

PoliticsNerd

^All the polls suggest that we would exit Brexit if a referendum was held today.^

This is simply not true and people really shouldn't be misled in this way. Some polls give a result closer than others but a quick check shows they generally and currently positively polling for return.

Whether that is the best way or whether we should be more like Norway in this is a separate but important discussion.

How can you even assume a polling company, asking if you would leave the EU today, is done by any sort of sound organisation? We have left. The question is irrelevant.

Have you misinterpreted MOnica's statement that All the polls suggest that we would exit Brexit if a referendum was held today. PN?

Because you actually draw the same conclusion: a quick check shows they generally and currently positively polling for return. i.e return to the EU

Allira

Yes, it's quite frightening.
Is it worse now they're not besties any more?

I think so, bad when they’re besties, worse when they’re not and loose cannons

Cossy

As for Trump being a better ally 😱😱😱😱😱

Nice to see you back though FGT, hope all is good with you

I agree and also say it's good to have you back, FGT2


I'm wondering if it depends on whether you're an optimist or a pessimist!! 😁

I'm not tugging my forelock just yet.