‘Oh Jeremy Corbyn’ 🎵 🎶 and Zarah Sultana have confirmed the launch of their new political party today!

Sorry I was not clear, I was not talkingof Starmer talking to Corbyn, but identifying Corbyn and his supporters as extreme left wing. A left wing that actually got their leader elected as leader oft he Labour party, and reduced the wider party ito such a state of panic that it chose as its next leader from the bland uncharismatic wing of the party.

Keir Starmer may well have been DPP, and a successful one, by all accounts. However it does not follow that he will then be a good political leader at hasn't.

There is something called the Peter Principle that states that people in a hierarchy tend to rise to "a level of respective incompetence": employees are promoted based on their success in previous jobs until they reach a level at which they are no longer competent, as skills in one job do not necessarily translate to another. This is exactly what has happened to Kier Starmer.

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Grantanow

Personally competent or not, Corbyn's new party will split the Labour vote and let Farage's party in. A disaster for which Corbyn will be responsible.

Perhaps Keir Starmer would have been wiser to keep Jeremy Corbyn in the party and lead a Labour Party that truly was a ‘broad church’. If anyone has split the Labour vote it is Starmer himself.

As Tony Benn said ‘the Labour Party has never been a socialist party, but it’s always had socialists in it’. There is strength in a range of views. Perhaps Starmer just hasn’t been in politics long enough to learn from the past.

No point in talking about the past. If Corbyn persists with his new unnamed party he will let Reform in, A worse disaster for the UK than Brexit has been.

I don’t think he’s ’letting Reform in’ Grantanow. He’s standing up for what he believes in after the party he was loyal to for 60 years threw him out. There were enough people within Labour urging him to start his own party, well now he has. The current Labour Party has to work out how to appeal to the electorate on its own merits now it’s expelled those pesky extremists who they felt were holding them back.

I doubt Corbyns will get many votes. Everyone has seen how incompetent he was as a party leader. No one in their right mind would want him as Prime Minister, whatever his policies. He is a busted flush.

I think Corbyn personally will get votes M0nica, he is very popular in his constituency - if he genuinely wants to carry on as an MP by 2029, by which time he will be in his eighties (although, to be fair he is wearing well). I don’t think the other MPs in his party, who are a ragbag of the zealots and/or disaffected will fare so well.

Casdon

I think Corbyn personally will get votes M0nica, he is very popular in his constituency - if he genuinely wants to carry on as an MP by 2029, by which time he will be in his eighties (although, to be fair he is wearing well). I don’t think the other MPs in his party, who are a ragbag of the zealots and/or disaffected will fare so well.

I agree. He has a strong personal vote in his constituency, but apart from the very strange bunch of followers he has. I think his policies, at least, as many I have read, will stop most people voting for him.

Just as a matter of interest, MOnica, does anyone know what he does to make himself so popular in his own constituency?
I realise his policies in the wider world are not popular.

I wish I knew. Perhaps he is a good constituency MP, or has a good office.

He’s that rare bird, an excellent constituency MP by all accounts Maremia, he fights the corner of his constituents very effectively.

Thanks Casdon. That would explain it.

Headline this morning from the London Economic, on Facebook,
'Corbyn party surpasses the Tory membership as it eyes up Farage.'

Remember the heady giddy days when Corbyn was lauded as the saviour of the masses?😁
Didn’t go well did it? That’s cos voters vastly outnumber members of any political party.

Maremia

Headline this morning from the London Economic, on Facebook,
'Corbyn party surpasses the Tory membership as it eyes up Farage.'

Membership isn't votes. When it comes to elections it is the vast majority of voters who have no party membership or affiliations that decide who governs us, not the number of party members.

Membership is funds, though, MOnica. Which have a key role to play in elections.

The Corbyn Party is unlikely to attract the big hitters needed for funds.

Membership funds amount to very little in the world of politics. It is corporate funds, whether union or private equity, that fund the political parties.

I read somewhere that Corbyn lives in an ex-Council house. If so, did he use the right to buy created by Thatcher or did he acquire it after it had been privatised.

Seems rather hard to believe that he would want to benefit in that way.

Did he live in the same house throughout his three marriages

Grantanow

I read somewhere that Corbyn lives in an ex-Council house. If so, did he use the right to buy created by Thatcher or did he acquire it after it had been privatised.

Seems rather hard to believe that he would want to benefit in that way.

Jeremy Corbyn does not live in an ex-council house. I once saw a photo of it and it was a standard Victorian terrace house and he bought it in 2007.

You may be confusing him with, I think, a union leader, who retired recently, cannot remember his nam,e who still lived in a rented council house in inner London, even though he earned a salary well over £100,000 and had done for years and was quite proud of the fact that he still paid rent for a council house, although he could well afford to buy his own home and by not doing so was stopping someone in need occupying it,

I believe you’re correct there Monica.

The Union Leader was Arthur Scargill

I think the Union Leader was the late Bob Crow. He earned £145, 000 and refused to move out of his council house
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/bob-crow-i-have-no-moral-duty-to-move-out-of-council-house-despite-receiving-sixfigure-salary-as-rmt-boss-8964238.html

sundowngirl

I think the Union Leader was the late Bob Crow. He earned £145, 000 and refused to move out of his council house
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/bob-crow-i-have-no-moral-duty-to-move-out-of-council-house-despite-receiving-sixfigure-salary-as-rmt-boss-8964238.html

Yes, nasty bit of work was Bob Crow

Mind you, Arthur Scargill is no better. he took his union, the much shrunken National Union of Minors to court to make them pay the rent on his London flat in the Barbican (a very expensive and up market development). He lost. he didn't give a toss that paying the rent was reducing the much smaller union with much smaller revenues close to baankruptcy.

A few years later he tried to buy the flat, as it was council owned under the 'right to buy' legislation. He was successful, despite his main home being a detached house in Yorkshire valued well in excess of half a million.

One cannot but think of Napoleon, the leader of the pigs in Animal Farm.

Corbyn is a positive saint compared with Crow and Scargill, but an ineffectual saint.

I once heard Corbyn described as an ‘affable Trot’ 😁