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Israel Committing War Crimes - Israel - Gaza Part 4

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Magenta8 Fri 25-Jul-25 11:08:56

It is very difficult to understand what is really happening and what are lies being perpetrated by Israel or Hamas. Add to this reporting restrictions and it is surprising we know as much as we do.

Wyllow3 Mon 28-Jul-25 22:23:02

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Wyllow3 Mon 28-Jul-25 22:13:25

Should we support Palestine Action?

From "DeClassified" website.

"The UK government was secretly advised that Palestine Action is “highly unlikely” to advocate for violence while officials struggled to produce evidence the group posed a national security threat, it can be revealed.

Despite this, the activist group was banned earlier this month when Home Secretary Yvette Cooper proscribed it under terrorism legislation.

It is the first time in British history that a direct-action group has been branded a terrorist organisation.

Only 26 MPs voted against the ban, which provoked a wave of civil disobedience across Britain, with protesters holding placards saying:

“I oppose genocide. I support Palestine Action”.

Over 100 people have now been arrested under the Terrorism Act for allegedly showing support for the group, including an 83-year-old priest and a man holding a Private Eye cartoon.

Declassified has now seen documents which detail why, how, and when the decision to proscribe Palestine Action was made. They form part of the material relied upon in the group’s High Court challenge to the ban

The documents detail how the government’s Proscription Review Group (PRG) conceded in March 2025 that a ban on Palestine Action would be “novel and unprecedented”.

This was because “there was no known precedent of an organisation being proscribed… mainly due to its use or threat of action involving serious damage to property”.

The Joint Terrorism Analysis Centre (JTAC), which is based within MI5, also concluded that

“the majority of direct action by Palestine Action would not
^be classified as terrorism^… ^but does often involve criminality*”.

Cooper was nonetheless advised in March by PRG and JTAC that the threshold to ban the group had been met

based on three out of a total of 385 incidents!!!

Involving “serious property damage” to arms factories*.

Lawyers representing the group’s co-founder Huda Ammori argued in court that these activities were not intended to “influence the government” and therefore could not satisfy the statutory test for terrorism.

While one incident involved several alleged assaults:

UK officials broadly recognised that Palestine Action (PA) does not promote or encourage attacks on people.

The JTAC assessment notes how: “PA media channels highly likely will only share footage, or encourage, instances of property damage. PA branded media will highly unlikely explicitly advocate for violence against persons”.

The documents also indicate how national security concerns were not a central factor in the Home Office’s decision to proscribe. Indeed, they barely feature in the government’s open evidence.

Ammori’s lawyers argued in court that “no national security justification for the proscription” was articulated by the Home Office:

Cooper “did not take into account any weighty national security consideration requiring immediate proscription”.

This appears to run contrary to Cooper’s statement to parliament on 23 June, in which she declared: “The UK’s defence enterprise is vital to the nation’s national security and this Government will not tolerate those who put that security at risk”

Maremia Mon 28-Jul-25 21:43:56

Not that it will make any difference, but the Democrats demand that Trump cuts funding for the controversial Gaza aid organisation, the GHF.

Anniebach Mon 28-Jul-25 21:03:37

Quote growstuff Mon 28-Jul-25 20:27:31
Anniebach
Quote Oreo Mon 28-Jul-25 20:17:27
I would think that Israel isn’t keen on the BBC what with the bias shown and documentaries which had to be pulled and them refusing to call hamas a terrorist group.

The BBC is respected by the majority on this thread !

Which news source(s) do you respect?

Lost trust in the BBC during miners strike, more so with the fact they have apologised four times this year , not made to apologise as stated in this thread. I can recall I chose to listen to
their journalists such as John Humphries but can’t think of one now that I respect as I did then . I so remember their coverage of The Aberfan Disaster, it was fair . Perhaps they are too keen on celebrities now not journalists, in honesty I don’t believe every word which comes from newsrooms now

growstuff Mon 28-Jul-25 20:27:31

Anniebach

Quote Oreo Mon 28-Jul-25 20:17:27
I would think that Israel isn’t keen on the BBC what with the bias shown and documentaries which had to be pulled and them refusing to call hamas a terrorist group.

The BBC is respected by the majority on this thread !

Which news source(s) do you respect?

Oreo Mon 28-Jul-25 20:22:30

So I’ve noticed Anniebach

Anniebach Mon 28-Jul-25 20:20:43

Quote Oreo Mon 28-Jul-25 20:17:27
I would think that Israel isn’t keen on the BBC what with the bias shown and documentaries which had to be pulled and them refusing to call hamas a terrorist group.

The BBC is respected by the majority on this thread !

Oreo Mon 28-Jul-25 20:17:27

I would think that Israel isn’t keen on the BBC what with the bias shown and documentaries which had to be pulled and them refusing to call hamas a terrorist group.

Oreo Mon 28-Jul-25 20:15:20

We were talking of pics of Gaza.

Oreo Mon 28-Jul-25 20:14:37

And your point is?

AGAA4 Mon 28-Jul-25 20:09:10

areas that have been flattened the whole of Gaza has been flattened.
Now I wonder what we would see if we looked out of a plane window flying over Israel.? I'm sure there are no flattened areas in this country at 'war' with Gaza.

Oreo Mon 28-Jul-25 20:06:15

It doesn’t matter who takes them, it’s not hidden.

Smileless2012 Mon 28-Jul-25 19:58:21

Yes we see them Oreo but they're not taken by international journalists because Israel wont let them and that includes the BBC.

Oreo Mon 28-Jul-25 19:52:58

Devorgilla

Surely it isn't that unusual for a country at war not to want people in planes filming the ground? There may be military there who need protected, or aid workers, or installations.

Exactly.
It’s nothing to do with not seeing areas that are flattened, we see those pics all the time on the news.

Smileless2012 Mon 28-Jul-25 19:49:03

It isn't military they don't want filmed .....

Smileless2012 Mon 28-Jul-25 19:48:24

It's military they don't want filmed, it's evidence of the devastation they've caused but he saw it and as AGA has posted, a area of Gaza he knew well that's been completely flattened.

Devorgilla Mon 28-Jul-25 19:30:56

Surely it isn't that unusual for a country at war not to want people in planes filming the ground? There may be military there who need protected, or aid workers, or installations.

Maremia Mon 28-Jul-25 19:01:18

Thanks GNs, so they still believe they can hide what they have done?
And the choices made for the aid drops, were not the best? Stooping lower and lower all the time.

AGAA4 Mon 28-Jul-25 18:37:16

It was on the news Maremia that the planes carrying aid were forbidden by Israel to film in Gaza. The reporter said he could see out the window that a previous bustling built up area of Gaza was completely
flat.

Anniebach Mon 28-Jul-25 18:36:37

Quote Whitewavemark2 Mon 28-Jul-25 18:23:10
Why has Israel refused permission to the BBC to film Gaza from the planes delivering aid?

Can the BBC be trusted with broadcasting the truth ? Several
apologies from them this year

Google BBC Controversies , Wiki, I so remember the anger caused in the miners strike, Battle of Orgrieve ,

MayBee70 Mon 28-Jul-25 18:34:38

Maremia

Do you mean, they are not allowed to travel and film from the planes?

A reporter ( Sky News?) on a plane just said when they reached a certain point they could no longer film. I think she also said that the places where the aid could be dropped were not the most beneficial areas in which to do so.

Maremia Mon 28-Jul-25 18:31:34

Do you mean, they are not allowed to travel and film from the planes?

Claremont Mon 28-Jul-25 18:28:57

Anniebach

Quote silverlining48 Mon 28-Jul-25 13:07:55
I think that claim has been made by many, by both Jews and non Jews.
Am interested in learning about the leading UK antisemitism watchdog you mention, demanding that her awards be revoked.

I do not believe it true that many Jews and non Jews compare
the Israel / Gaza war with the Holocaust and Israel with the
Nazis, who could be that brutal, false information yet again

NO, it is NOT false information. There are many Jews, and some holocaust survivors, saying exactly the same. Some have been posted previously.

Whitewavemark2 Mon 28-Jul-25 18:23:10

Why has Israel refused permission to the BBC to film Gaza from the planes delivering aid?

MayBee70 Mon 28-Jul-25 18:09:21

I think that interview with David Mencer on Sky News was a game changer because everyone saw the lies that he was trying to perpetuate.