So what do GNs think of Starmer’s decision to recognise Palestine as a state?

Do you usually quote from people's posts, adding things they haven't said, Anniebach?

Did you not agree “without conditions” ?

I definitely did not say this Anniebach:

"They shouldn’t free the hostages ,Hamas should continue to use their firearms and should remain as Government."

Quote Steelygran Fri 01-Aug-25 17:26:47
I don't understand this part of your post, Anniebach.

I can't find evidence in the thread that anyone has said the following:

"They shouldn’t free the hostages ,Hamas should continue to use their firearms and should remain as Government."

Where are you quoting it from

“It should come without conditions “ in you reply

agggh!!!
I give up getting it exactly right. Send me to pedants corner and later I'll come back to carry on with the general discussion.

Aw, thank you, it took so long it's nice for you to say so,

I've just put the references right, here. I wish I could find the bit on the MSF website for direct donations to Gaza but info above.

Médecins Sans Frontières

www.msf.org



The Red Cross

is equally well known and respected, here's how to donate directly to their work on Gaza


donate.redcross.org.uk/appeal/gaza-crisis-appeal?spm=Regular+Giving&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=21455631489&gbraid=0AAAAAD_j2cAN7ywux2GGi0tZ1p82NyUYr&gclid=CjwKCAjwy7HEBhBJEiwA5hQNopGpUgGMTDBj0xZGVbSxkmS7xBi2eoPByBRL5H76ArEMFtkqJwvreBoCJPcQAvD_BwE


UNRWA


tinyurl.com/2m5prrrn

*

To fight Anti-Semitism in the UK


“Protecting Our Jewish Community”


cst.org.uk


Donate button in the web page.

Thanks for the information Wyllow3!

I don't understand this part of your post, Anniebach.

I can't find evidence in the thread that anyone has said the following:

"They shouldn’t free the hostages ,Hamas should continue to use their firearms and should remain as Government."

Where are you quoting it from?

Message deleted by Gransnet. Here's a link to our Talk guidelines.

Popping over with some information as posters here who want to be active might finds it helpful:

Organisation sot give money to that goes directly to support the Citizens of Gaza

Médecins Sans Frontières
www.msf.org



MSF has specific appeals for Gaza, the "Gaza Emergency Regional Fund”.

How to:

”
Call MSF UK on +44 (0) 20 7404 6600
and ask for the Supporter Care Team.

Or mail to [email protected]
and ask how to directly donate to Gaza.



*The Red Cross* is equally well known and respected, here's how to donate directly to their work on Gaza
tinyurl.com/2szxw5w6

UNRWA

donate.unrwa.org/int/en/gaza
_________________

To fight anti-Semitism in the UK
“Protecting Our Jewish Community”



cst.org.uk



Full description and donate button in the web page.

I was very pleased when I heard this announced. It certainly is long overdue.

StoneofDestiny Thu 31-Jul-25 22:24:36
It's long overdue to recognise Palestine as a state. The people of Palestine are human beings who deserve a homeland, their own government and the right to determine their own future. It should come without conditions.

I completely agree.

“Israel is more than capable of riding itself of Hamas - as I said they dealt with Hezbollah a much, much bigger organisation.”

That’s rubbish
Hezbollah had not got several million civilians as human shields in a very small area. Nobody mourned Hezbollah being decimated in Lebanon because few civilians were involved.

But maybe for different reasons?🤔😃

We agree on that then Annie 🌞

Oreo Fri 01-Aug-25 10:33:00
Am not so sure as he hasn’t read the room on any other matters so far.
I really do think he was worried there would be a rebellion against him.
We are where we are tho, and it hasn’t happened as yet.

I am sure he read the room

Am not so sure as he hasn’t read the room on any other matters so far.
I really do think he was worried there would be a rebellion against him.
We are where we are tho, and it hasn’t happened as yet.

Iam64

It’s possible to see the complexity here. I don’t believe Starmer was somehow bullied by his party. It’s more likely he’s read the room in the country he represents. I would prefer to see all hostages returned and a magic solution where the exhausted, traumatised Palestinian people kicked out Hamas and democratically elected a decent government. Alongside that, the Israelis would kick out Netanyahu, his awful right wingers and destroy then ban illegal settlements

I agree with you.

Smileless2012

I agree with Starmer. Yes, recognising Palestine as a state is symbolic but that symbolism recognises the right of Palestinians not just to exist, but to live.

Exactly that.

GrannyGravy13

Palestine should only be recognised as a state when the elected government, which is Hamas hands over the hostages, be they alive or the bodies of the dead.

Whitewavemark2 Hamas are not a tin pot terrorist organisation the head honchos are multi millionaires living in safe Arab countries, no doubt already plotting their next move.

They are in the scheme of things. They are only in the position they are because of Israel.

Israel is more than capable of riding itself of Hamas - as I said they dealt with Hezbollah a much, much bigger organisation.

I have given much thought, listened to opinions of some, heard

Starmer needs the Muslim vote.
Several in the cabinet have a large Muslim note
Starmer fears Corbyn taking many votes from Labour .

For me , Hamas are the winners, they are the official government, they are believed. If there is a general election
in Gaza after Palestine is recognised as a state Hamas will win,
the Palestinians see them as victors

I agree with Starmer. Yes, recognising Palestine as a state is symbolic but that symbolism recognises the right of Palestinians not just to exist, but to live.

Palestine should only be recognised as a state when the elected government, which is Hamas hands over the hostages, be they alive or the bodies of the dead.

Whitewavemark2 Hamas are not a tin pot terrorist organisation the head honchos are multi millionaires living in safe Arab countries, no doubt already plotting their next move.

It’s possible to see the complexity here. I don’t believe Starmer was somehow bullied by his party. It’s more likely he’s read the room in the country he represents. I would prefer to see all hostages returned and a magic solution where the exhausted, traumatised Palestinian people kicked out Hamas and democratically elected a decent government. Alongside that, the Israelis would kick out Netanyahu, his awful right wingers and destroy then ban illegal settlements

Disgusted. A weak leader, the worst in our history, being led by the nose such as Macron and his own extreme Left Hamas supporting backbenchers, such as the Islamists elected on that ticket, God knows how it was allowed to happen. If this happens he has already been informed by lawyers that he will be breaking international law. CCJ coming after him, of course not, it is tantamount to recognising a terrorist organisation as a Gov. Because believe me they will not let go.
I stand with Israel.