Israel/Gaza War - Hundreds of Israeli ex-officials appeal to Trump to help end Gaza war

Oreo

Palestinians murdered Israelis at a bus terminal, they came from the West Bank.Shot dead themselves by an Israeli soldier.

All killing is a tragedy.

Wyllow3

There are calls that Israeli firms should be banned specifically, that is something to demand/message to MP's.

It won’t happen.
Israel is an ally of the UK and we trade with each other.

Palestinians murdered Israelis at a bus terminal, they came from the West Bank.Shot dead themselves by an Israeli soldier.

More tragedy in Israel. Six people killed at a bus stop in Jerusalem, thirty plus in Gaza.

Wyllow3 Your Quaker friend is very brave. I wish I had the courage to do something like that.

Thank you foxie for the information.

I thought I read Israel cannot attend the Arms Fair but maybe I got the wrong end of the stick. Arms Fairs are an abomination anyway.

I stopped following this thread because of the way it was going. Thankfully it seems to have come back on track. I've just listened to the TRIP podcast, an interview with James Elder who is a UNICEF Spokesman with a particular role in the care of children. It's entitled, "A war on children" a generation in Gaza at risk. This is someone who has visited Gaza on a number of occasions talking about what he has personally witnessed and experienced. I strongly recommend it especially to anyone in doubt about what the children in Gaza are experiencing. It is free to listen to.

Worth trying Wyllow, but in the present economic climate, not likely to succeed, but always worth a go.

Yes, Eleothan, read about a very recent protest in Jerusalem, demanding that Netanyahu agrees to the latest plan to stop the war, and get those hostages freed. It would take some amount of mental gymnastics to call those marchers 'anti-semitic'.

There are calls that Israeli firms should be banned specifically, that is something to demand/message to MP's.

Just spotted that on the news, that there is to be an Arms Fair in London. 'Red rag to a bull' springs to mind.

I hope she is okay Wyllow, but this is how it will go for a while. The proscription is being appealed, but there is now an attempt to block that appeal.

She's not some heavy duty politico. She is retired, works as a Samaritan 2/3 sessions a week and has done for some time, and cycles everywhere to protect the environment, is of shy disposition unless amongst Friends/friends.

My dear Quaker Friend was arrested today along with many others.

She sent

"I did the Parliament Square witness yesterday against the proscription of PA and, not surprisingly, got arrested. Out on bail.
It was an empowering experience, with lots of hand holding and hugs from other protesters and volunteers from Defend Our Juries. I'm staying on to witness against the Docklands Arms Fair.

👏👏👍

Why are so many reputable Jewish people saying they hate what the Israeli government is doing in Gaza? Is it because they are anti-Semitic or "self-hating Jews" or is it because they think the complete destruction of Gaza and the indiscriminate bombing, shooting, starving and terrorising of its inhabitants is nothing short of genocide?

Did Starmer meet the Israeli delegation? Was one of the diplomats on the International wanted list?

Don't think anyone can rely on Trump for aid. That bombing he did in Iran, to destroy their nuclear capability, and encourage the populace arise against the Regime, has apparently had the opposite effect, according to an article in the Guardian today

What's left of the Palestinians will be herded into a very small area already overcrowded without the basic necessities like enough food, clean
water or sanitation.
I think Trump may start his comprehensive plan for Gaza then.

Which population do you mean Oreo? I thought, from news sources, that the plan was to completely remove the Palestinians from Gaza, and give the territory over to 'developers'.
Hope I am wrong about this.

Trump can but won’t is likely a correct statement.The war is in the last stages in Gaza City which is isolated now.It can only be a matter of months to the end of it and hamas.
What comes after that is a moot point but will be preferable to war for the population who must hate hamas for bringing war down upon them by their actions.

It is obvious now that Trump can't/won't do anything to help stop the war. Gaza is being demolished as we type, children still starve, but Greta is having another go with her expanded flotilla, and is calling on Starmer to intervene. Not sure what he can do.

Trump promised the US that he wouldn't get involved in other countries' wars. He helped Israel with Iran and was in trouble with many back home.
I think he will steer clear of getting involved.

If he has the power to do so, I'm not convinced he has the desire.

Oreo

If everyone would just keep their comments about the conflict in Gaza and the Israeli government to exactly that then it would be so much better for the thread.I sadly don’t think that they will.

The difficulty in keeping the discussion solely on Gaza / the Israeli government, is that the conflict did not spontaneously occur for no apparent reason.

And it is these 'reasons' that are inevitably commented on - how can it be otherwise?

Anti-Semitism is real, I think quite a few have been aware of that fact outside of the current conflict, especially if we have, as I do, a Jewish family member. Inevitably what is happening in Gaza will be seen as a licence for bigots to crawl from under their rocks.

However there is a very distinct line between such individuals and those of us who are critical of Netanyahu and the Israeli government, we are most certainly not the same species. If that's not recognised - understood - then discussions on Gaza will go nowhere. I mean, we can all ask, "what will Trump do next", etc - well, we can read the news media to find out, and just state the bald facts etc as we're fed them.

But then, what point a discussion / debate?

The OP says that, as much as she dislikes Trump, she thinks he might just have enough influence to achieve the end of the Gaza war. And as much as many of us dislike Trump, I can't imagine we'd object if he achieved that. One more dead Palestinian - or Israeli soldier - is one more too many.

But Trump doesn't act alone - in spite of the impression he gives that he does, he is influenced and pressured by lobbyists, there are economic matters to take into account, among other issues.

Unless these wider issues are allowable for discussion - and that includes as I said, very real anti-Semitism, then we are simply going to ask, "can Trump bring about the end of the war in Gaza?" To which the reply is either, "yes, I believe so", or, "no, I don't think he can"... and one might just as well read the various news media to get a view on that.

... so that's what I've been doing and will now bow out of this thread to get a wider view - not that I've contributed much anyway - but if 'staying on topic' means, as I think it does, that matters, the history, etc, that underpin this crisis, are not up for debate, then there's no further point in being on the thread, although it has been an interesting one.

I hope Trump does have the power to put an end to this conflict, I really do.

MayBee70

Is it true that Netanyahu is having to appear in court each week for embezzlement?

He is going through a trial for corruption. Some of the top members of the Knesset have been convicted of crimes.

Is it true that Netanyahu is having to appear in court each week for embezzlement?