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Israel/Gaza War - Hundreds of Israeli ex-officials appeal to Trump to help end Gaza war

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posset Mon 04-Aug-25 10:46:53

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crkznje8nz8o

Much as I dislike Trump I believe he might have enough influence to achieve this.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 06-Aug-25 16:12:37

Posted by Michael Rosen

Speech at the UN by a representative of the State of Palestine.

Allow me to address the Israeli people.

Your government wants you to believe that the whole world is conspiring against you, that the Palestinian people are terrorists, that the UN is filled with terrorist and terrorist supporters, that your closest allies are your enemies.

This most radical Israeli government and its Foreign Minister are calling for “de radicalization” of the Palestinian society as a whole, calling them “human animals” and “children of darkness”.

They want you to believe that your survival depends on your ability to continuously wage wars, including against a defenseless civilian population half of whom are children, on their erasure.

The Israeli people need to decide if this is what they want their government and military doing.

These atrocities that the whole world is watching and that your government is hoping you will filter out, deny or justify.

In the midst of this genocide we are telling you: we choose peace and appeal to you to do the same.

We do it for our children and our people. You should do it for your children and your loved ones.

Enough bloodshed. Enough wars. Enough suffering.

If not for the Palestinian people’s sake, for your own, if not in the name of humanity, in the name of self-preservation.

The solution is ending this illegal occupation and ending this disastrous conflict;
it is the realization of the independence and sovereignty of the Palestinian state, not its destruction;
it is the fulfillment of our rights, not their continued denial;
it is respect for international law, not its trampling;
it is the implementation of the two-State
solution, not a one state reality with Palestinians condemned to genocide, ethnic cleansing or apartheid.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 06-Aug-25 16:01:00

Babs03

Hunan Rights Watch and Amnesty international have also reported this, as have most human rights agencies if not all of them.
Starvation is not used in the theatre of war it is used in cases of genocide.

Yes, I am very confident that this evidence will convince the CCJ that genocide is indeed being carried out. 3 out of 5 of article 11 is being met.

Babs03 Wed 06-Aug-25 15:52:51

Hunan Rights Watch and Amnesty international have also reported this, as have most human rights agencies if not all of them.
Starvation is not used in the theatre of war it is used in cases of genocide.

Smileless2012 Wed 06-Aug-25 15:50:26

Thank you WWM for continuing to keep us updated; it makes for depressing reading but we need to know don't we.

AGAA4 Wed 06-Aug-25 15:44:11

It's unbelievable that Israel are getting away with so much. Those with any power stand back and let it happen.
The US/Israel aid has caused more deaths not less.

Babs03 Wed 06-Aug-25 15:43:04

All these respected agencies giving the same reports yet nothing is being done to address the appalling strategy of the IDF to exploit the starving when chasing an aid truck. Is like shooting fish in a barrel. Starvation has become weaponised.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 06-Aug-25 15:42:04

The result of not just bombing, but the IDF is now systematically detonating whole areas where there are buildings standing, in preparation we assume to move into land that does not belong to them.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 06-Aug-25 15:30:22

I think that the last paragraph of the UNHR report is important.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 06-Aug-25 15:29:30

Report from UNHR

GENEVA – UN experts* today expressed grave concern over the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation’s (GHF) operations, saying Palestinians are paying the ultimate price of the international community’s legal, political and moral failure.

The experts recalled that under international humanitarian law, Israel as the occupying power has binding obligations to the people under its control. As per Geneva Convention IV and the Hague Regulations, civilians in occupied territory must be protected and provided with essential services. Humanitarian relief operations must be protected and facilitated, but must also strictly respect the principles of humanity, neutrality, impartiality, and independence.

The GHF, a non-governmental organisation created by Israel in February 2025, with US support, to allegedly distribute aid in Gaza, is an utterly disturbing example of how humanitarian relief can be exploited for covert military and geopolitical agendas in serious breach of international law,” the experts said. “The entanglement of Israeli intelligence, US contractors and ambiguous non-governmental entities underlines the urgent need for robust international oversight and action under UN auspices”
Under any circumstances, when war crimes are overlooked in exchange for temporary relief, impunity can become normalised. Yet, in this case, we are leaving a State accused of genocide, war crimes and crimes against humanity in charge of feeding the population affected by the genocide without oversight and with impunity. This overt hypocrisy is disturbing,” the experts said.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 06-Aug-25 15:24:21

Report from Denmark

Copenhagen, 5 August 2025 – A new survey of Palestinian living in Gaza by the Danish Refugee Council (DRC) reveals a harrowing nightmare in Gaza, where a population exhausted by extreme hunger and multiple displacements is being systematically denied safe access to aid. Based on protection monitoring interviews with people in Gaza from 22 May to 27 July 2025 in 25 displacement sites in Deir al-Balah, Khan Younis, Gaza City and North Gaza, the survey exposes the life-threatening consequences of the American and Israeli-backed distribution scheme and the severe psychological toll on a population with no safe haven. Key findings from the survey show a population at breaking point. A staggering 70 precent of respondents cited extreme weakness caused by starvation as a barrier to accessing aid. The physical exhaustion is so profound that many are unable to make the long journey on foot to distribution sites or carry heavy loads even if they receive assistance. Palestinians trying to access the militarized backed distribution scheme said they witnessed people, including family members, being deliberately targeted, shot, and killed by soldiers. Family members who died seeking aid were described as receiving "blood aid", or "aid soaked in blood."

Babs03 Wed 06-Aug-25 15:03:49

All Muslims do not want to kill Jewish people but all those who support the extreme right government in Israel and turn a blind eye to what they are doing to Gazans will insist that this is the case.

Babs03 Wed 06-Aug-25 14:55:42

Claremont

This in the context that a few here have said repeatedly that Palestinians and Muslims want to kill all Jews- never saying that 'some' do- but implicating that 'all' do. Which is patently untrue. I have family and friends who are Muslim, some the family of senior Imams in several countries- not one of them take the view some of you ascribe to them.

My own husband was Muslim but is now an atheist, many of his family and friends are Muslim and we have Muslim Friends. Am, however, no expert on Islam or Muslims everywhere, but those I know do not support terrorism/extremism having suffered this in countries like Iran or Saudi, and I know for sure that Muslims in Lebanon do not support Hezbollah in any shape or form. And Muslims in Gaza do not align themselves with Muslims in Iran because they are Sunni and Muslims in Iran are Shi’ite. In the Iran/Iraq war many Palestinians served as mercenaries against Iran in support of Sunni Saddam. To therefore believe that all Muslims speak with one voice is Islamophobic and unintelligent.

Claremont Wed 06-Aug-25 14:38:10

This in the context that a few here have said repeatedly that Palestinians and Muslims want to kill all Jews- never saying that 'some' do- but implicating that 'all' do. Which is patently untrue. I have family and friends who are Muslim, some the family of senior Imams in several countries- not one of them take the view some of you ascribe to them.

Claremont Wed 06-Aug-25 14:29:31

SueDonim

Claremont said I was reported a few months ago for saying that Jewish people and children in Israel and around the dispora in the world are being 'taught' to demonise Gazans and see them as less as human, using all the imagery and words used in the past against them

I didn’t see your original post or know about banning but am deeply disturbed that you regard my Jewish family, including my grandchildren, as people who see Gazans as less than humans. Several of their number are rabbis and we know many of their friends and community. I cannot think of one single person amongst them who would take the views that you ascribe to them.

I never ever accused your family, nor all Jews. I am saying that Jewish friends and other reports have indicated that in some zionist and far right, Ult conservative quarters, children are taught to demonise Palestinians and consider them as non-human. My post should have made that clearer, and for this I sincerely apologise. I have in the past posted videos and texts showing the kind of language used.

AGAA4 Wed 06-Aug-25 14:10:14

Israel carries on with it's ineffective air drops. How can a mother with a baby run to where aid is dropped. It is being scooped up by those who are fitter.

AGAA4 Wed 06-Aug-25 14:06:30

A clinic has been bombed by Israel. Reuters. The killing goes on as Netanyahu promised. Another war crime.

Oreo Wed 06-Aug-25 13:44:25

Same here SueDonim 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

SueDonim Wed 06-Aug-25 13:36:15

Claremont said I was reported a few months ago for saying that Jewish people and children in Israel and around the dispora in the world are being 'taught' to demonise Gazans and see them as less as human, using all the imagery and words used in the past against them

I didn’t see your original post or know about banning but am deeply disturbed that you regard my Jewish family, including my grandchildren, as people who see Gazans as less than humans. Several of their number are rabbis and we know many of their friends and community. I cannot think of one single person amongst them who would take the views that you ascribe to them.

Oreo Wed 06-Aug-25 13:01:36

Rather have you no shame butterandjam trying to make fun of a Jewish poster’s history of experiencing antisemitism.
She isn’t conflating anything at all, merely voicing a truth.

butterandjam Wed 06-Aug-25 12:57:31

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Babs03 Wed 06-Aug-25 12:53:58

Smileless2012

Each needs to accept the existence of the other and that neither is going away.

Exactly.
And nobody should be forced to live like second class citizens and have their human rights abused or land/property taken away.
When I say this it sounds so weird that it actually needs to be said. Surely some things should be taken for granted.

TheatreLover Wed 06-Aug-25 12:35:44

Babs03

Claims of anti semitism should always be taken seriously and if true investigated accordingly as should claims of Islamophobia, I personally have not seen antisemitism on threads like this though it has often been used as a blunt object to beat others into silence, however, I have seen cases of Islamophobia where commenters dismiss all Muslims as being the same, backing Hamas etc. I don’t expect this to be taken seriously or investigated because it never is so here we are with a very disproportionate conflict and disproportionate threads on forums like this where those raising their voices in outrage against what is happening in Gaza are often mobbed and made to feel as if they are being antisemitic or proHamas.
It was like that when I left these threads in late March and the same when I recently returned. Btw I wasn’t suspended it was something far more serious which makes me wonder why when there is enough misery occurring in the world we seek to manufacture it.

I agree with every word of your post.

Smileless2012 Wed 06-Aug-25 12:35:28

Why indeed AGAA.

Smileless2012 Wed 06-Aug-25 12:34:51

Each needs to accept the existence of the other and that neither is going away.

AGAA4 Wed 06-Aug-25 12:33:51

The Palestinians are well aware that Israel exists. They have been been killed, starved and had their land stolen by the Israelis.
Why should the Palestinians have to move frome their own land mum2three?