BBC - Violent Channel smuggling gang's French and UK network

FriedGreenTomatoes2

I fail to see how swapping one immigrant for a different immigrant helps. It's still one more immigrant. 🤷‍♀️

Plus France has a veto on who we can send back.

France only has the right of veto in very limited circumstances. Apparently, if an asylum seeker has an outstanding international human rights claim, he/she can appeal. However, the government has said this isn't true because the human rights cases can be heard in France.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

I fail to see how swapping one immigrant for a different immigrant helps. It's still one more immigrant. 🤷‍♀️

Plus France has a veto on who we can send back.

It helps the UK quite a bit. Firstly, the UK ends up with asylum seekers who have been vetted and have a very good chance of being accepted, so they can start to earn their own money and be useful members of society. Secondly, the UK has a fast track to deport those whose claims have no chance of being accepted, so they don't loiter around waiting for the rejection.

escaped

I'm confused. Wasn't the £500 million paid to the French to be used for more law enforcement officers along the French coast and at the ferry ports? (Pretty unsuccessful though that has been. Yes, laughable - to a previous poster who didn't like the word!)
I thought it started in 2023?

I don't know, which is why I asked for some evidence.

I know that France has been paid for the most recent scheme - presumably to compensate for taking back asylum seekers who have no hope of being granted asylum in the UK (so they're going to be France's problem) and to allow a limited amount of processing/checking on French soil.

escaped

I guess it depends on regions. Here in Devon most asylum seekers end up in hotels as we have a plethora of them. There's certainly several been taken over in Torbay, Ilfracombe, Tiverton, Exeter.
Devon County Council is actively looking to lease properties from private landlords to house refugee families, without much success, because many spare properties are holiday homes or Airbnbs.

Could you name the hotels that have been taken over please. I'm a Devonian and I go back for visits sometimes and have to stay in a hotel when I do so. There is one I usually use in Exeter when I go back - and I was watching for signs it would get "lost" to this when I last went back and I did see some stuff that had me wondering whether it might be.....

I guess our 5 star hotels will be safe from this - but the prices charged for them are extremely high/beyond my price range by far - eg £500 a night for "bed and breakfast" and btw you don't even get given breakfast included in that as far as I can make out !!!!

I am concerned I might not even be able to visit my own city because of this....

I'm confused. Wasn't the £500 million paid to the French to be used for more law enforcement officers along the French coast and at the ferry ports? (Pretty unsuccessful though that has been. Yes, laughable - to a previous poster who didn't like the word!)
I thought it started in 2023?

I fail to see how swapping one immigrant for a different immigrant helps. It's still one more immigrant. 🤷‍♀️

Plus France has a veto on who we can send back.

I guess it depends on regions. Here in Devon most asylum seekers end up in hotels as we have a plethora of them. There's certainly several been taken over in Torbay, Ilfracombe, Tiverton, Exeter.
Devon County Council is actively looking to lease properties from private landlords to house refugee families, without much success, because many spare properties are holiday homes or Airbnbs.

sundowngirl

growstuff

woodenspoon

I think the French are only too pleased to see them sail on their merry way. They do very little to stop them. Nobody else wants them except the UK where most end up in hotels.

Most do not end up in hotels. (sigh - what a shame the facts need to be twisted, so meaningful discussions can't take place).

Growstuff - "most do not end up in hotels (sigh - what a shame the facts need to be twisted)"

You seem to know the 'facts' - where do they end up then??

In hostels, private accommodation and asylum accommodation centres, such as the one at Wethersfield. About a third of asylum seekers spend some time in hotels, which is not "most".

sundowngirl My understanding is that the UK has only just started paying France £500 million for the pilot "one-in-one-out" scheme, which doesn't include slashing boats.

If you have any evidence that the UK pays France money for anything else, please could you post it. Thanks!

growstuff

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FriedGreenTomatoes2

Because I’m a realist?

Okay. Let’s be even handed here growstuff.
Shall we both review the numbers in say, 3 months?

😂😂😂

In the meantits costing (conservative estimate) £6million a day.

We must need our bumps feeling.

If the new scheme ever works, it certainly won't be thanks to France. They're paying nothing towards it again, not even a cent.

To be honest, why should they? It's not their problem if people want to leave their country.

Growstuff - "why should they"

Because we pay France £500,000,000 to do so!!

growstuff

woodenspoon

I think the French are only too pleased to see them sail on their merry way. They do very little to stop them. Nobody else wants them except the UK where most end up in hotels.

Most do not end up in hotels. (sigh - what a shame the facts need to be twisted, so meaningful discussions can't take place).

Growstuff - "most do not end up in hotels (sigh - what a shame the facts need to be twisted)"

You seem to know the 'facts' - where do they end up then??

I think we all know that they don’t have to, the question is why are so very many choosy about which European country they stay in if the are indeed, to use that beloved phrase always trotted out ‘fleeing wars or persecution’.
The answer, as we all know again, is that most aren’t.We also know that some favour the UK as they can speak some English and others have family here, but that doesn’t cover the sheer numbers that arrive on our shores year in year out.
No, it’s the pull of no ID cards and better overall benefits.

(shall I save the statement in capital letters for the next time someone comes out with it 😉)

NotSpaghetti

There is, sadly, no point correcting the first safe country fiction.

Those who want to will go on propagating this falsehood growstuff.

Indeed, howmany more times do we have to hear this rubbish? It's only been perpetrated and then proved wrong for several years.

ASYLUM SEEKERS/REFUGEES OR THOSE WHO CLAIM TO BE SO DO NOT HAVE TO STOP IN THE FIRST SAFE COUNTRY THEY REACH

thank you posters who've pointed this out and I really hope we dont have to repeat it all again.

Following this with interest - and good for the BBC for doing this.

Kamiso
Just for you.

www.refugee-action.org.uk/about/facts-about-refugees/

There is, sadly, no point correcting the first safe country fiction.

Those who want to will go on propagating this falsehood growstuff.

No, there is nothing to say they are "supposed" to stop in the first safe country. That's a myth.

growstuff

escaped

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Because I’m a realist?

Okay. Let’s be even handed here growstuff.
Shall we both review the numbers in say, 3 months?

😂😂😂

In the meantits costing (conservative estimate) £6million a day.

We must need our bumps feeling.

If the new scheme ever works, it certainly won't be thanks to France. They're paying nothing towards it again, not even a cent.

To be honest, why should they? It's not their problem if people want to leave their country.

The ‘refugees’ are supposed to stop in the first safe country but France just pushes them on. They don’t care how many drown as long as they dispose of them. The French have accepted millions and done nothing. Not exactly surprising!

Trump is sending his captive people to Rwanda.

WithNobsOnIt

Nothing will happen as usual
The Government has absolutely no intention of stopping these people whatsover. They love them!

And so do the BBC and Channel 4. Whatever the say.

We really need to get out of various not fit for purpose, silly outdated treaties to make progress and get a new government with balls

Ridiculous 🤣

"they love them!!!"

Was really saying that there's already been so much struggle and hardship and emotional energy invested in the journey it must be really hard to give up when you can see Dover on a clear day.

If people could apply to come here legally, from near where they are coming from, you may find it's easier to settle elsewhere when you know you will be rejected in the UK.

This however assumes saie and legal routes...

Oops. Sorry. Posted accidentally

I'm not sure I've seen it said here but obviously if you take 18 months or two years to get as far as Calais, any disincentive is going to take ages to really take effect. This means that however hard it is to get across from France has already had

Nothing will happen as usual
The Government has absolutely no intention of stopping these people whatsover. They love them!

And so do the BBC and Channel 4. Whatever the say.

We really need to get out of various not fit for purpose, silly outdated treaties to make progress and get a new government with balls

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