If you want to understand the techniques Farage uses ...

So are you saying that what I have described as right-wing (fascist in that case) propoganda in the 1930s and '40s against the Jews and others, which placed them at the root of Germany's problems turned out to be true?

Because that is the question I have been asking, and some do not some including you Kandinsky, do not seem prepared to answer. It's a simple yes/no question that doesn't call for deflection.

How many asylum seekers have been seriously harmed by an ‘angry mob’ - do you have any statistics?

How much serious crime has been committed by people who shouldn’t even be here? People who you’re supporting.
Do you ever look into that?

Just look what has happened in America too. ICE sweeping the streets, dressed like an occupying army, illegally profiling accounts for a substantial portion of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) arrests in 2025.

Trump and Farage are cut from the same cloth.

I don't believe that "No one is suggesting these migrants come to any harm." Kandinsky.

I don't understand, after seeing what happened last summer and the build up there has been this summer, how you can even start to believe that to be true.

PoliticsNerd

What are you going on about?

No one is suggesting these migrants come to any harm, just that they stop leaving perfectly safe countries like France to enter the UK illegally.

Do you not understand?

Casdon

Teazel2

Apparently they are making a good fist of Kent County Council from what I have read, saving a lot of money and running it efficiently. I live in Kent and am so pleased they got in.

Well Teazel2, here’s a summary of what has been happening in Kent County Council since Reform was elected. Gransnetters can judge for themselves whether or not they agree with your assessment.
www.kentonline.co.uk/kent/news/controversial-vocal-but-as-expected-100-days-of-refor-328346/

Thanks for posting the link, tbh I cannot find anything of concern in it, they seem to be taking sensible actions. Of course councillors of other parties are going to be critical, that is only to be expected. Thank you again though for taking the time to post this.

I should really not be suprised that none of those who shout loudly about identifiable groups, could bring themselves to directly answer this:

Let me ask you a question. We all know how Hitler turned the Jews into the "enemy of the state". Do you now, after decades of learning about the history of that terrible period in Europe, believe that all or anything that was said about the Jews to make them the enemy of the state was true?. Did they actually deserve what was basically retribution for the very difficult problems Germany faced. Did focusing on them solve those problems as easily and simply as promised - or at all? Did the people of Germany feel vindicated at the end of it all?

Surely the answer from us all, particularly the older ones amongst us must be Of course I don't believe that the "Third Reich" propoganda making the Jews, and others, the enemy was anything other than the propoganda some wanted to believe; an easy answer to complex and difficult problems. I am horrified to see another, easily identifiable group (except when those in power get it wrong as in 1930/40s Germany and Trump's America) used as a model for feeding discontent in this way.

Did any of them come close to this? Did I miss something? Or is the far-right now part of the group who think civil liberty, the laws established for the sake of the community, no longer matter as long as the people hurt are assumed to be part of the identified group.

Perhaps the question was too long. Perhaps it should just have been Was what happened in Germany to the Jews and other groups identified in 1930/40s Germany by popular rhetoric, right or wrong and should we be using the same methods today?

It only needs a one word answer.

Excellent post Dickens.

The idea of an insurance based health system really concerns me.

Perhaps Farage’s supporters believe they have enough money to weather any medical storm!

Surely people know how disastrous this sort of system is in the USA.

Mouse

Farage has stated publicly that he wants to replace the NHS with an insurance based system. That’s a good enough reason never to vote for him or his company.

Of course he has U turned in this and said it will be ‘free at the point of use’, whatever that means. He has also said he wants an American based system which is enough to make me wary of him, having experienced 10 days in an American hospital 20 years ago I know how catastrophic the cost would be for some people who don’t have adequate insurance.

Watching that documentary ‘Shifty’ has reminded me of so many of the things that Thatcher did that I’d forgotten but I’ve also learned a lot of things about that era that I didn’t actually know.

Mouse

Farage has stated publicly that he wants to replace the NHS with an insurance based system. That’s a good enough reason never to vote for him or his company.

This has been mentioned on GN fairly regularly, but I've never seen any responses on the issue... no debate about it.

I find that odd because as we age, we become more susceptible to illness and diseases - chronic illnesses, too, and private health insurance is not designed to cover chronic conditions. Nor pre-existing ones.

Also, unless you have considerable disposable income, choosing an insurance package may limit you to the very basics and, as none of us know what's round the corner, the level of cover you get for a particular disease may mean that you end up having to pay out-of-pocket.

Private health insurance is really for short-term, acute illness - uncomplicated and easy to treat.

I have witnessed an American family go from 'riches' to 'rags' because 3 family members were unfortunate enough to contract cancer; in the two males, it was hereditary, and the female family member was diagnosed with breast cancer. They lost their business, and ultimately, they lost their home, even though, initially, they had comprehensive cover.

Personally, I don't believe he would 'get rid' of the NHS - he couldn't, because even he must be aware that the impoverished sick have to be cared for, as they are in the US via Medicaid and Medicare - for which you have to qualify, but which might still leave you with significant medical bills.

I can only assume that Farage's supporters have weighed this up and come to the conclusion that it's worth it.

I don't fetishise the NHS as a 'sacred cow' - having spent two separate periods of 3-month stays in a hospital bed, I saw lots of waste, ill-thought-through 'rituals', nonsensical rules, and came into contact with nurses who were less than supportive, but I do believe in universal health-care. I believe a government should invest in its people because, ultimately, it is the people who will be the backbone of a successful economy.

I'd like to hear Farage expand on his plans for the NHS, and for private insurance. Not that I intend to vote for Reform, I believe they are a single-issue party focusing on 'the boats' and thereby simplifying the complex political landscape. A landscape that has, IMO, emerged since the Thatcher 'revolution' in the late 70s.

Teazel2

MayBee70

Is that from scrapping Net Zero amongst other things?

Yes and that is a good idea.

Why?

StoneofDestiny

Watched it and not surprised by any of it. Classic advertising technique / tell people they have a problem (smelly settee), show them a solution to the problem (a smelly spray to out smell the smelly settee), show how the product you are selling is the only product that can de smell your settee quickly. Give it a short quirky name and catchy tune - and yay - it’s embedded in the minds of the smelly settee brigade.

Easy sell to gullible people, just like Farages populist politics. People see him waving the Union Flag denouncing migrants and giving it large about ‘Put Britain First’ . His supporters forget he wanted to work with Trump in the USA - that fell through when had a fall out with Musk! They fail to see he is never in his own Constituency - has done nothing for them, yet the gullible think he can run the country. Farage is a chancer who appeals to the politically naive. He stirs the pot by agitating people, identifying scapegoats for them to focus their discontent on and then stands back and watches while the trouble starts. Classic.

He should not have as much TV coverage as he does - the number of mp’s he has does not justify the attention the media give him. I

Oh, like Snake Oil salesman?

Additional costs due to the illegals haven't you realised?

!!! The Labour govt are clobbering the private small medium businesses that pay taxes that keep the civil service and the NHS etc running so that there won't be any money because they Labour are killing off the businesses!!!

MayBee70

Is that from scrapping Net Zero amongst other things?

Yes and that is a good idea.

Farage has stated publicly that he wants to replace the NHS with an insurance based system. That’s a good enough reason never to vote for him or his company.

StoneofDestiny

Watched it and not surprised by any of it. Classic advertising technique / tell people they have a problem (smelly settee), show them a solution to the problem (a smelly spray to out smell the smelly settee), show how the product you are selling is the only product that can de smell your settee quickly. Give it a short quirky name and catchy tune - and yay - it’s embedded in the minds of the smelly settee brigade.

Easy sell to gullible people, just like Farages populist politics. People see him waving the Union Flag denouncing migrants and giving it large about ‘Put Britain First’ . His supporters forget he wanted to work with Trump in the USA - that fell through when had a fall out with Musk! They fail to see he is never in his own Constituency - has done nothing for them, yet the gullible think he can run the country. Farage is a chancer who appeals to the politically naive. He stirs the pot by agitating people, identifying scapegoats for them to focus their discontent on and then stands back and watches while the trouble starts. Classic.

He should not have as much TV coverage as he does - the number of mp’s he has does not justify the attention the media give him. I

well said

PoliticsNerd

Of course everyone you speak to thinks as you do. We all tend to associate with people like ourselves, Teasle2. It up to us, not others, to work out why we chose to believe what we believe and whether it's the right thing to do.

Let me ask you a question. We all know how Hitler turned the Jews into the "enemy of the state". Do you now, after decades of learning about the history of that terrible period in Europe, believe that all or anything that was said about the Jews to make them the enemy of the state was true?. Did they actually deserve what was basically retribution for the very difficult problems Germany faced. Did focusing on them solve those problems as easily and simply as promised - or at all? Did the people of Germany feel vindicated at the end of it all?

well said politics nerd

Well tbh if I'm just looking at what I observe daily when we want to engage new staff, or when I'm out walking in my neighbourhood, or watching reality TV, chatting on Facebook or buying a £20k kitchen along with many many others, I really don't see crisis.
There are things wrong, the number of young people who don't feel able to work being probably number one in my eyes. And leading to the view, if we have a lot of young people this neurotic, maybe we need an influx of people with the guts to get on a boat at high risk of drowning in order to find a better life.

Kandinsky

*Can somebody please explain to me what a Reform government is going to do to make this country a better place. What are their plans for the NHS, education, social care etc etc?*

Can’t you just google ‘reform uk manifesto’
I mean, It’s not difficult to find these things out, as you well know.

My ex has read it in depth. He says it’s quite good when chatting to Reform supporters in the pub. Surely those people on here that revere them can just tell me what their plans for the country are? They must know them.

I can't read it, Casdon because I won't disable my ad blocker.

Kandinsky

*Can somebody please explain to me what a Reform government is going to do to make this country a better place. What are their plans for the NHS, education, social care etc etc?*

Can’t you just google ‘reform uk manifesto’
I mean, It’s not difficult to find these things out, as you well know.

Have you read it Kandinsky? If so, tell us Muggles the answers, because they can only be written between the lines - do you have the sleuthing powers of Hermione Granger?

Teazel2

Apparently they are making a good fist of Kent County Council from what I have read, saving a lot of money and running it efficiently. I live in Kent and am so pleased they got in.

Well Teazel2, here’s a summary of what has been happening in Kent County Council since Reform was elected. Gransnetters can judge for themselves whether or not they agree with your assessment.
www.kentonline.co.uk/kent/news/controversial-vocal-but-as-expected-100-days-of-refor-328346/

Can somebody please explain to me what a Reform government is going to do to make this country a better place. What are their plans for the NHS, education, social care etc etc?

Can’t you just google ‘reform uk manifesto’
I mean, It’s not difficult to find these things out, as you well know.