If you want to understand the techniques Farage uses ...

Farage uses a classic technique: complain that everything is broken/gone to the dogs, find some group to blame (he seems to have moved on from the EU to immigrants) and offer his smart Party as the solution, Politicians have used it before. You can think of examples, I'm sure. Some people call the rush to the smart Party a manic defence: it feels like the right thing to do but it's not a solution to the real problems and usually ends in tears. Real problems require carefully worked out and negotiated solutions which takes real effort and time.

I think that if people had decent pay and working public services (and clean beaches) they wouldn't mind the class differences so much. It's the 'bread and circuses' technique.

But that will never happen under the current economic orthodoxy.

And yet they just don’t see it Galaxy 🤷🏼‍♀️

It is also a disconnect between the ruling class/ institutions and the working class, it is becoming a gap that is just as destructive as the gap in terms of economics.

Galaxy

Farage is popular because the left have failed, it is a phenomenon being played out across Europe.

It's not the left specifically that has failed> It's the neo-liberal economics, adopted by 1st world countries as 'orthodoxy',that has favoured the wealthy and lead to ever increasing inequality.

Where do 'revolutions' , whether initiated from the left or the right, succeed'? In countries where there is a huge gap between wealth and poverty. The disadvantaged being the most numerous, the sheer weight of the numbers of the disadvantaged can bring demagogues of left or right to power.

In this instance, the left has failed; only the right is promising relief. It could easily be the other way round.

Farage is popular because the left have failed, it is a phenomenon being played out across Europe.

The only reason Farage is popular is that the current government is terrible and seems to be running the country into the ground. It is him in particular because he speaks well and is able to rally support - he is more in touch with the populace than the Labour Party is which is a shame because Labour traditionally is a supportive and caring party. Not any more. Maybe if Starmer went it might improve but I doubt it.

Teazel2

Apparently they are making a good fist of Kent County Council from what I have read, saving a lot of money and running it efficiently. I live in Kent and am so pleased they got in.

Interesting Teazel. This is an article (on-line but text*) which has a bias in the opposite direction to yours. Titled "Clickbait and Chaos’ — 100 days of Reform UK Running Kent County Council" it may balance the views people are being fed by Reform.

*If you would rather listen than read just click the arrow a little way under the photograph.

"But believe what you wish." - for as long as it's possible Allira.

Meanwhile extremists may plan the next Crusade, either driven by extreme politics or an extreme religious view. Both attract people with similar ways of looking at life and are/have been prepared to persecute based on ethnicity and/or belief.

There is little to chose between extremists whatever they base their extremism on.

Yes I've noticed that thing with second generation immigrants. With some I think it's because people from their original country now find it well nigh impossible to get in, & many aspire to live here, so they feel proud to live here.
Then they see boatloads arriving without any red tape & they think it's too easy.
But the Channel in a small boat is not easy, and they don't arrive & get a job & a place to rent & start meeting people, they're sealed away in government depots & hostels for years & often get depressed, bored & worse.

On Farage, Farage wants the best for Farage, end of. Demagogues were always thus.

welcomechurches.org/team
www.salvationarmy.org.uk/supporting-refugees/asylum-seeker-support
www.hereford.anglican.org/parish-support/church-and-society/helping-refugees-asylum-seekers/
www.icn.org.uk/
www.wellaware.org.uk/?circumstance=AsylumSeeker

Are just a few.

But believe what you wish. 🙂

Allira

^There’s no hate quite like Christian “love”&

Why did you say that?
What have Christians to do with this?

Many Christian groups are, in fact, helping asylum seekers.

What an unpleasant remark.
It isn't true of Christians but says quite a bit about you.

Probably said because there is some truth in it Allira.

Second generation immigrants seem to be totally opposed to immigration, something that I can't get my head around.

Wasn't Trump's father, an immigrant, running a prostitution racket and got rich on that?

Farage stole from the British people by betting for the pound to fall after knowing the result of the Yougov poll before other people and then feigning surprise at the result. As an MEP he did not show up for most of the voting, and still took his salary and idiots still voted for him.

Brexit has already happened. We are far poorer than we were, our food prices have shot up.Our children lost the opportunities in Europe for jobs, and we have lost our importance in the world. And people still believe him. He's not a patriot, he applied for German citizenship the day after the vote.

Chocolatelovinggran

I live in Kent and am very disappointed to hear that Reform are selling a number of art works, some of which were donated.
A previous LA for whom I worked permitted schools and public buildings to borrow paintings to exhibit for a time, then return, rather as we might borrow a library books, for the appreciation of all.
It seems to me that they are selling the family silver - and I, as a family member, have not been consulted.

That’s disgraceful .

I live in Kent and am very disappointed to hear that Reform are selling a number of art works, some of which were donated.
A previous LA for whom I worked permitted schools and public buildings to borrow paintings to exhibit for a time, then return, rather as we might borrow a library books, for the appreciation of all.
It seems to me that they are selling the family silver - and I, as a family member, have not been consulted.

^There’s no hate quite like Christian “love”&

Why did you say that?
What have Christians to do with this?

Many Christian groups are, in fact, helping asylum seekers.

What an unpleasant remark.
It isn't true of Christians but says quite a bit about you.

Gizzy48

sazz1

And you SERIOUSLY believe paperwork will prove they’re not dangerous? Have you ever thought about why a lot of these people are on the move in the first place? Have you no understanding of the meaning of the word refugee? Or asylum? A lot of them were in danger in the countries they left, and you expect them to take precious time gathering together paperwork?

And although Trump says he’ll only deport “criminals”, he’s convinced enough people that not having the relevant piece of paper is a serious enough crime for you to be uprooted from your family and community.

Somebody mentioned not calling immigrants “subhuman”. Well. Donald Trump has done that, also called them animals, on several occasions. The man is a rabble-rouser, in the same way as Hitler was, and now here, people like Farage and Nick Tenconi.

There’s no hate quite like Christian “love”

The people that support Trump and Farage don’t seem to realise that they, too might one day fall foul of them. “First they came for etc etc…”

sazz1

And you SERIOUSLY believe paperwork will prove they’re not dangerous? Have you ever thought about why a lot of these people are on the move in the first place? Have you no understanding of the meaning of the word refugee? Or asylum? A lot of them were in danger in the countries they left, and you expect them to take precious time gathering together paperwork?

And although Trump says he’ll only deport “criminals”, he’s convinced enough people that not having the relevant piece of paper is a serious enough crime for you to be uprooted from your family and community.

Somebody mentioned not calling immigrants “subhuman”. Well. Donald Trump has done that, also called them animals, on several occasions. The man is a rabble-rouser, in the same way as Hitler was, and now here, people like Farage and Nick Tenconi.

There’s no hate quite like Christian “love”

The only thing I agree with Trump is he's deporting illegal immigrants. We should be doing the same as these people often have no paperwork with them. They could be terrorists or wanted for serious crime in their own country. Spain detains and deports them as well as many other countries and as Reform says they will deport them they will get my vote.
Also, over 100 we're arrested for working illegally while staying at our expense in hotels. It's disgusting when British people are sleeping on the streets and in Vans and cars.

“ I do wonder why we are considered gullible fools for supporting someone who only wants the best for this country.”

Anyone who thinks Farage “only wants the best for his country” has been well and truly suckered in. It’s as bad as MAGA thinking Trump loves America when he’s managing to sow so much discord and hatred there. But hey, cuddle the flag, enough to convince them.

some do not some including you some including you

Eight police officers were injured by a mob outside a hotel in Essex only three weeks ago Kandinsky. There have been numerous police injured protecting migrants in the last year.