Palestine Action Protest

Galaxy

Yes but you can't only do it for your own causes, so if you support protest, it has to be across the board, whether it is outside an abortion clinic, a protest led by Tommy Robinson, etc etc.

Oh yes.

Am I the only one seeing the hypocrisy on this thread?

Claremont

Oreo

You can support or not support anything you like as long as you don’t cross a line by openly supporting a proscribed terror group.

You can however totally question why it was made into a 'proscribed terror group'.

The government will know the answer to that.
Pro Palestinian marches have been allowed ever since the week after 7th October 2023 and are still going on and people can join those.They were banned in France from the start.

Useful idiots is what Russia and any group which opposes the West including terror groups probably funded by Iran, call well meaning people that help their cause in any way.

Oreo

You can support or not support anything you like as long as you don’t cross a line by openly supporting a proscribed terror group.

You can however totally question why it was made into a 'proscribed terror group'.

Galaxy

Yes but you can't only do it for your own causes, so if you support protest, it has to be across the board, whether it is outside an abortion clinic, a protest led by Tommy Robinson, etc etc.

Yes that’s the rub isn’t it?

Like this 'useful idiot', 87 years old Stephen Kapos. Do liste to him, he knows more than most of us on here

youtu.be/v4OdkaTqmDs?feature=shared

CariadAgain

fancythat

Thank you for that.

Must be just me.
I think peaceful protests whould be allowed in the Uk about anything. I think.

Absolutely so!

We are supposed to be a country that supports freedom of speech, etc.

It feels so wierd that some people are trying to restrict our traditional rights.

This.

Yes but you can't only do it for your own causes, so if you support protest, it has to be across the board, whether it is outside an abortion clinic, a protest led by Tommy Robinson, etc etc.

Of course they should be proscribed and remain so.

You can support or not support anything you like as long as you don’t cross a line by openly supporting a proscribed terror group.

As said, I hope that more and more older people, who do not have jobs to lose, or family responsibilites, etc, will agree to protest this diabolical genocide (yes, I use the word a lot, because it is what it is, diabolical) - and be what Oreo very rudely calls, pointingly, 'useful idiots' - very proud ones. Some of course are survivors of the holocaust and in their 80s.

GrannyGravy13

As has been posted Palestine Action Group are a proscribed terrorist group, their supporters will be treated the same as any other proscribed group.

Are posters advocating breaking the law?

Absolutely not.

But I agree with Whitewavemark2 first paragraph at 05.46am

Holding a flag is not causing any damage, is it?

As Willow says, protesting, with some damage, and in the case of suffragettes, even death, has a very long tratiion in the UK 'There are many historical examples of this happening in the UK. Some actions at Greenham Common , or at Faslane, were/are illegal and I support them'

so do I.

I do not support massive climate and environmental damage to our earth and its people, my grandchildren, yours and all the grandchildren of the world who will inherit this disaster. Nor do I support Israel's genocide and illegal take over of the land of Palestine, after flattening it and killing around 60.000 so far.

By comparison, the damage done by Palestine Action Group is minuscule- and as the Government is not listening and continuing to support Netanyahu- then I can understand why some feel big and bold and very visible actions are necessary. Even though I do not condone them.

We constantly talk about the need to keep up very British traditions - not shut them down.

👏👏👏 Lathyrus3 Yes peaceful protesting is fine, causing damage is not

Lathyrus3

I am totally supportive of peaceful protest (and have taken part in several n my time) but anything that causes damage is not peaceful.

I look back to Greenham Common. Today I suppose protesters would be cutting the wire and throwing thing instead of hanging their babies bootees on the fence.

Then defensive action would have ensued. We would have been banned. So less effective.

Which leads me to believe that those causing damage are either fools or have other motives.

Exactly that, those with darker motivations and well meaning old people who are very foolish, and anarchists and those on the edge of society looking for excitement.It will be a real ragbag of people.
Who funds this group? Not Iran by any chance?

I am totally supportive of peaceful protest (and have taken part in several n my time) but anything that causes damage is not peaceful.

I look back to Greenham Common. Today I suppose protesters would be cutting the wire and throwing thing instead of hanging their babies bootees on the fence.

Then defensive action would have ensued. We would have been banned. So less effective.

Which leads me to believe that those causing damage are either fools or have other motives.

Quote Oreo Sat 09-Aug-25 09:33:26
Anniebach
Spraying paintings on display in art galleries.

Blocking roads which prevents ambulances reaching someone in need

Spraying paint on schools, political party offices etc

Acceptable ?
Pouring paint into the engines of military aircraft after breaking in to Brize Norton.

Damaging aircraft is acceptable it seems

Anniebach

Spraying paintings on display in art galleries.

Blocking roads which prevents ambulances reaching someone in need

Spraying paint on schools, political party offices etc

Acceptable ?

Pouring paint into the engines of military aircraft after breaking in to Brize Norton.

Lathyrus3

I think that if a group (whoever they are) deliberately damages the defence system of a country that is a hostile action and has to be treated as such.

It doesn’t just affect what we might or might not do in Gaza. It leaves us open to hostile action from other countries - Russia for one. Who are constantly testing our defence systems for vulnerabilities.

A number of those taking action in the name of Palestine will not be at all concerned with what is happening there, other than as a vehicle for their own purpose. It’s naive to assume otherwise.

So a Government has to take the measures they believe are necessary for the countries security, even if those measures appear to run counter to other principles.

None of us are party to the security information which prompted Palestine Action to be proscribed a terrorist group.

Good comment 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

Spraying paintings on display in art galleries.

Blocking roads which prevents ambulances reaching someone in need

Spraying paint on schools, political party offices etc

Acceptable ?

GrannyGravy13

Whitewavemark2

As I say I have no firm opinions on the matter except to say that I am by instinct very protective of our democratic right to protest.

I think it no bad thing to be tested in court.

As to breaking the law, that is entirely up to the individual.

Do you feel the same about ISIS, Daesh, Hezbollah?

I think we have to trust our secret services, who know more than us.

Blimey!
😄😄

I think that if a group (whoever they are) deliberately damages the defence system of a country that is a hostile action and has to be treated as such.

It doesn’t just affect what we might or might not do in Gaza. It leaves us open to hostile action from other countries - Russia for one. Who are constantly testing our defence systems for vulnerabilities.

A number of those taking action in the name of Palestine will not be at all concerned with what is happening there, other than as a vehicle for their own purpose. It’s naive to assume otherwise.

So a Government has to take the measures they believe are necessary for the countries security, even if those measures appear to run counter to other principles.

None of us are party to the security information which prompted Palestine Action to be proscribed a terrorist group.

The whole history of social progress in the UK is littered with actions that at the time were illegal but have now become legal.

I'd say it was a proud part of what it is to live in the UK, that individual acts of conscience are generally understood (well, I thought so before reading some of the posts above) to be part of our democracy, when as I say, they do no harm, and often have a deal of grass roots support.

Since we dont have a written constitution regulating these matters, and out laws have been a "making it up as we went along" ie often laws are changed by precedent.

People break the law protecting trees, trying to stop a road coming through their village, it happens a great deal.

fancythat

Thank you for that.

Must be just me.
I think peaceful protests whould be allowed in the Uk about anything. I think.

Absolutely so!

We are supposed to be a country that supports freedom of speech, etc.

It feels so wierd that some people are trying to restrict our traditional rights.

Wyllow3

GrannyGravy13

As has been posted Palestine Action Group are a proscribed terrorist group, their supporters will be treated the same as any other proscribed group.

Are posters advocating breaking the law?

Yes, I believe definitely there are times when conscience demands you break the law

There are many historical examples of this happening in the UK. Some actions at Greenham Common , or at Faslane, were/are illegal and I support them

As long as no one is harmed by that action and the person is not spreading illegal propaganda I think this one of the occasions.

Ie, their action is as benign as the other people taking part.

I'm excluding people of course who have committed acts that have harmed in past actions

Any ‘benign’ people supporting them will be supporting their past violent actions and any present or future ones.