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Unfolding Genocide

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Whitewavemark2 Wed 13-Aug-25 13:51:55

BBC report

“Israel has faced mounting criticism over the 22-month-long war with Hamas, with UN-backed experts warning of widespread famine unfolding in the besieged territory.

On Tuesday members of an international group of former leaders known as "The Elders" for the first time called the war in Gaza an "unfolding genocide" and blamed Israel for causing famine among its population.

Following a visit to the Gaza border, Helen Clark and Mary Robinson, a former prime minister of New Zealand and a former president of Ireland, said in a joint statement: "What we saw and heard underlines our personal conviction that there is not only an unfolding, human-caused famine in Gaza. There is an unfolding genocide."

choughdancer Mon 18-Aug-25 09:50:32

Written by one of the brave Israeli teenagers who have been imprisoned: "My name is Ayana Gerstmann, I’m 18 years old, and Israeli law dictates that I must enlist. I have decided to refuse to enlist, as my morals have obligated me to do so, and I choose to act accordingly.

I was raised in a family that often mentioned the moral failure that is in the military service. And yet, at a young age, I did not fully understand what that moral failure of the military service, that my mom would often talk about, actually was. I had no idea what was happening around me: what were the territories and what was the occupation. I remember that in 4th grade I participated in my school’s Jerusalem Day ceremony. I danced, sang and recited nationalistic texts without even imagining that there is a problem with the joyful celebration of what was displayed to us as the “Unification of Jerusalem - The Eternal Capital”.

A year later, in 5th grade, my political ignorance had been shattered. In the days before Jerusalem Day, we were given a research assignment about important places in Jerusalem. It is clear to me today that the goal of that assignment was to strengthen my nationalistic tendencies, but its outcome was the opposite. I read about East Jerusalem, and for the first time was exposed to it as it was depicted in the B'Tselem website. Suddenly my eyes were opened to what hid behind the national pride celebrations I had participated in a year earlier - occupation and oppression. Suddenly, and at once, I had been made aware of the deep suffering of millions of people, that prior I hadn’t even known existed, whose freedom is crushed day by day, hour by hour, by the occupation regime.

From that moment, the realization that I absolutely cannot be a bolt in the military system that is enforcing the occupation regime, and making the lives of the Palestinians miserable as a policy, had been growing. I will not be part of a system that is routinely expelling communities, killing innocents, and allowing settlers to take over their lands. Since October 7th this realization had come to its peak due to the army’s actions in Gaza. Since the start of the war tens of thousands of women and children had been killed, and hundreds of thousands had been displaced from their homes, living today in refugee camps, deprived of their dignity and starving. This humanitarian catastrophe is a result of the army’s actions, the result of the war that has been going on for nearly two years, and has lost its goals long ago. For two years I see bloodshed as a result of a hopeless war of revenge. I see tens of thousands of Gazan children that are born and raised with endless despair, into death and destruction that make up a neverending circle of hate, revenge and murder. I see hundreds of youths my age getting killed as they are sent by the state to eternalize this circle. I see a war that is only endangering the lives of the hostages. And I cannot be silent in the face of these things.

I cannot be silent in a society silence took over. I do not have the privilege to be silent, when I know that everyone around me has long been silent. Israeli society has been seeing the occupation for six decades and is closing its eyes. Israeli society has been seeing Gazan children killed in bombins and is closing its eyes. Israeli society sees the army committing the worst of moral atrocities, and decides to be silent. Israeli society is not ready to acknowledge the atrocities its army is committing against innocents, because people know that once they do, they will be unable to deal with the guilt. And instead of invoking its morality and opposing the atrocities, Israeli society silences every hint of its immorality, justifies whatever cannot be silenced, and labels any opposition of the war as evil, out of a fear that it will label itself as such, if it will dare to look at the truth. Throughout the war I hear the phrase “there are no innocents in Gaza” countless times, and am outraged. I hear this phrase normalized more and more. I see people that wholeheartedly believe that even the youngest of Gaza’s children isn’t innocent, and therefore will be given no mercy. On this I want to say: a child is always innocent! For it is obvious to me that I too as a child was innocent, when I took part in the Jerusalem Day ceremonies. I couldn’t choose otherwise when I read out the nationalistic texts I was told to read, while completely ignoring the Palestinian suffering of which I was unaware. An unknowing child cannot make his own choices, and therefore is innocent.

But now, having matured, my innocence is not unconditional. That is why I know that if I decide to stay silent now that I’m aware of the suffering inflicted upon millions by the army, I will be complicit in the crime. Today I know that I cannot be silent in the face of suffering. I cannot be silent in the face of killing and destruction. And today I know that enlisting in the army is worse than silence: it is cooperation with a system that is hurting millions. That is why I refuse, and do so loudly. I will not cooperate, and I will not be part of the silence that enables the worst of atrocities to be committed in my name. As a citizen of the country I say clearly: the destruction of Gaza - not in my name! The occupation - not in my name! I refuse to be silent, in hope that my voice will open the eyes of others in society, and make them aware of what’s being done in their name, until they stay silent no more."

Please forward Ayana's public letter below to everyone you know, and more importantly, send Ayana and Yuval a letter of support at this link: docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdU3FiCUiCP1jhBfBa3u-jIYf9IZINpsU5KadyRgKugt_BLTg/viewform
You are their voice.

Anniebach Mon 18-Aug-25 09:04:27

I pay veery little attention to Trump but am surprised to read
“He was persuaded “ , one asks what else can he be persuaded to do or not do

LizzieDrip Mon 18-Aug-25 08:48:13

Loomer describes herself as a ‘proud Islamophobe’.

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/aug/16/gaza-children-visas-medical-care-laura-loomer

How can this woman sleep at nightsad

Whitewavemark2 Mon 18-Aug-25 08:38:27

Some children are now coming to Europe to be treated both for injuries they have sustained and malnutrition.

Heartening to see.

Laura Loomer a far right Republican appeared to totally loose it when she realised that the USA also had intended to help some of the sick children.

She persuaded Trump that the children posed a security risk to the USA and so visas have been stopped.

Maremia Sun 17-Aug-25 14:21:36

Thanks Wyllow

Babs03 Sun 17-Aug-25 14:14:09

Wyllow3

You can download these posters, made for you by Oxfam, all it needs is an A4 printer, for your car, window.

www.oxfam.org.uk/get-involved/campaign-with-oxfam/gaza-palestine-downloadable-campaign-posters/

an example in the image, they are basic, but effective.

Will get one for our window and pass some on to our family.
Thanks for that x

Wyllow3 Sun 17-Aug-25 09:18:44

You can download these posters, made for you by Oxfam, all it needs is an A4 printer, for your car, window.

www.oxfam.org.uk/get-involved/campaign-with-oxfam/gaza-palestine-downloadable-campaign-posters/

an example in the image, they are basic, but effective.

AGAA4 Sun 17-Aug-25 09:05:53

BBC show a bomb being dropped on Gaza city. It's a civilian area but Israel claim it was targeting a Hamas arms store.
Palestinians are trying to flee from the city through a narrow passage where IDF are stationed.
A Palestinian man says they have been moved on so many times and Gaza is exhausted.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 17-Aug-25 08:15:56

Italy has taken in - so far- over 100 people from Gaza suffering from malnutrition. 🤞 they will pull through, although tragically a 20 year old girl has died.

The blockade continues people continue to starve and die.

The bombings continue, people continue to suffer terribly injuries and death.

Israel is nowhere nearer th end to their stated war aims, although I suspect their real aims of ethnic cleansing snd genocide is spinning along nicely.

Wyllow3 Sun 17-Aug-25 00:36:20

Both sides sing poignantly - just listen to both

This is crazy GN's.

From some in Israel

www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgC6S91pKVE&list=RDBgC6S91pKVE&start_radio=1

From some in Gaza
www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Edh2amB3So&list=RD4Edh2amB3So&start_radio=1

and the powerful in the world stand by

Anniebach Thu 14-Aug-25 17:49:31

Quote Anniebach Thu 14-Aug-25 17:33:35
Does Mary Robinson still work with/for UN
Add comment | Report | Private message | Quote Smileless2012 Thu 14-Aug-25 17:42:23
No she doesn't Annie.

Thank you

Smileless2012 Thu 14-Aug-25 17:42:23

No she doesn't Annie.

Anniebach Thu 14-Aug-25 17:33:35

Does Mary Robinson still work with/for UN

Whitewavemark2 Thu 14-Aug-25 17:17:46

Watching BBC - Mary Robinson .

Israel is beyond evil.

Babs03 Thu 14-Aug-25 16:24:48

Am pretty sure Trump is figuring out where his golf course will go in the new Vegas of the ME.

Babs03 Thu 14-Aug-25 16:22:24

Smileless2012

Neither do I AGAA I mean what right does Israel have to dictate to Palestinians where they can and cannot live? angry.

Right now Netanyahu and his henchmen seem to think they have every right whilst he tramples over the human rights of Palestinians.

AGAA4 Thu 14-Aug-25 15:59:45

It's clear to me that Netanyahu and his government treat the Palestinians like underdogs to be got out of the way by whatever means.

Smileless2012 Thu 14-Aug-25 15:52:40

Neither do I AGAA I mean what right does Israel have to dictate to Palestinians where they can and cannot live? angry.

AGAA4 Thu 14-Aug-25 15:40:33

This reads more and more like a horror story. Smotrich and Ben-Gvir have homes on the west bank. It's their aim for no Palestinians to live there.
As for trying to induce other countries to take the Palestinians in I have no words that are printable.

Smileless2012 Thu 14-Aug-25 15:39:42

IMO Netanyahu's agenda has been obvious from the beginning of this so called 'self defence by Israel' since those horrific attacks by Hamas.

I agree Babs that if this was happening vice versa we could expect international repugnance and immediate action but when it comes to what's happening to the Palestinians in Gaza, 'there are none so blind as those who will not see'.

Babs03 Thu 14-Aug-25 15:36:02

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/gaza-palestinians-relocation-south-sudan-netanyahu-b2806609.html

The video included with this made my stomach drop.

Babs03 Thu 14-Aug-25 15:28:52

WWM it is utterly abhorrent. If this was happening vice versa am sure we could expect international repugnance and immediate action.
Call it what you will, genocide or ethnic cleansing, it is certain now what Netanyahus’s agenda is. And so many who stood by in the west and simply spectated are now complicit in this.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 14-Aug-25 15:24:29

Israeli far-right minister says Netanyahu and Trump agreed to West Bank settlement plan
Israeli far-right finance minister Bezalel Smotrich said prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu and US president Donald Trump had agreed to revive the contentious E1 settlement scheme – although there was no immediate confirmation from either leader.

It comes after we reported earlier that Smotrich announced plans to begin construction on a settlement that would divide the West Bank and cut it off from East Jerusalem.

Standing at the site in Ma’ale Adumim, Smotrich said:

Whoever in the world is trying to recognise a Palestinian state today will receive our answer on the ground. Not with documents nor with decisions or statements, but with facts. Facts of houses, facts of neighbourhoods.
Smotrich told Reuters the plan would go into effect on Wednesday, without specifying what would happen that day.

Most of the international community considers all settlements illegal under international law, a position backed by multiple UN Security Council resolutions calling on Israel to halt settlement activity.

In June, Britain, Canada, Australia and New Zealand imposed sanctions on Smotrich and another far-right minister who advocates settlement expansion, accusing them of repeatedly inciting violence against Palestinians in the West Bank.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 14-Aug-25 15:22:44

What to do with the flotsam?

Human Rights Watch has described as “abhorrent” reports that the Israeli government is in talks with five countries – Indonesia, Somaliland, Uganda, South Sudan and Libya – about taking displaced Palestinians from Gaza.

Israeli broadcaster Channel 12 reported on Wednesday that such discussions were taking place.

Milena Ansari, Israel and Palestine assistant researcher at Human Rights Watch, told the Guardian:

Hearing Israeli officials flaunt abhorrent plans to escalate forced displacement and ethnic cleansing of Palestinians in Gaza should trigger outrage in the international community.
Instead of standing beside a government whose Prime Minister is wanted for atrocity crimes by the International Criminal Court, states should make clear their categorical opposition to such actions and take concrete actions to prevent the extermination of Palestinians.
Anything less will only magnify the possibility they could be held complicit in Israel’s crimes of forced displacement.

MayBee70 Thu 14-Aug-25 10:55:58

“The death of one man is a tragedy. The death of millions is a statistic." sad

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