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Setting a precedent?

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Sarnia Tue 19-Aug-25 16:55:52

The High Court has awarded Epping Forest District Council a temporary injunction to remove asylum seekers from a local hotel.
Setting a precedent?

Allira Fri 22-Aug-25 19:18:01

Won't be looking at any responses

Yes, I know.

We were aware of conflict and many of us were raising money for famines there before, probably, you were born.

It's depressing that nothing has changed. I don't know whsat the answers are but, certainly, the UN seems to be ineffectual.

Allira Fri 22-Aug-25 19:14:24

Oh dear.

Yes, you touched a nerve too.
You are only free because of those brave young men who gave their lives for you but I expect you're too young to know or even care.

StripeyGran Fri 22-Aug-25 19:10:11

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Lilli4 Fri 22-Aug-25 19:08:43

Allira

^I could imagine my sons leaving a war torn country for a better life.^

How insulting is that to the memory of all those brave young men (and women) who fought for our freedom in WW2, some leaving behind widows and young children. My father came back, my father-in-law did not.

They did not run away to Canada, Australia or wherever and leave the women and children to fend for themselves. Those who could not join the Forces did their bit in other ways too.

🤬

Oh for gods sake! It’s not the same and you know it. A lot of these people are fleeing countries with no infrastructure or organisation - just chaos. Their countries have been taken over by warring factions 🤬

Allira Fri 22-Aug-25 19:03:27

Wrong quote.

We are lucky to live here even if we don’t always feel it.

Yes, we are - and why is that?

Allira Fri 22-Aug-25 19:02:07

I could imagine my sons leaving a war torn country for a better life.

Yes, we are - and why is that?

Allira Fri 22-Aug-25 19:00:58

I could imagine my sons leaving a war torn country for a better life.

How insulting is that to the memory of all those brave young men (and women) who fought for our freedom in WW2, some leaving behind widows and young children. My father came back, my father-in-law did not.

They did not run away to Canada, Australia or wherever and leave the women and children to fend for themselves. Those who could not join the Forces did their bit in other ways too.

🤬

Lilli4 Fri 22-Aug-25 18:45:44

butterandjam

windmill1

Hordes, and I mean hordes, of single fighting age young men, dispersed amongst the population in HMO's?

No thanks.

They have already shown what little - if any - regard they have for women by abandoning their own kind to poverty, persecution and abuse,

AIUI, many of those "fit young men" have been chosen and funded by their family back home, to be sent at huge expense to the affluent west in the hope they are young, resilient and tough enough to make a living there, and send money back home.

Far from having cowardly "deserted" their family, they've "gone west" as pioneers; just like the early emigrants to America and Canada (who were often the poor and desperate from Europe and Britain).

Or, closer to home and in time; look at all the single migrants who came to Britain after WW2 from The Caribbean, India, Pakistan. They had left behind their families including small children, because they were the designated family member most likely to "make it" in a cold country thousands of miles from home. But often at huge cost to themselves ; lonely, resented and rejected by the new country. Their assimilation and acceptance took decades.

I don't defend any crooks and criminals among the new migrants; but we should all try to remember that sometimes the most desperate and dangerous aspects of political and economic migration actually marks out the best qualities in young people; ambition, fearless determination to risk everything for a better future; and for the family they left back home.

Well done butterandjam! I could imagine my sons leaving a war torn country for a better life. It’s the luck of where you are born - just geography. But a lot of people just don’t appreciate how lucky they are to live in a relatively safe country and are unable to empathise or try to put themselves in another person’s shoes. When the world is unstable with war migration happens and we have to learn to cope. We are lucky to live here even if we don’t always feel it.

Mt61 Fri 22-Aug-25 18:15:08

MaizieD

^I can't remember a Government so out of touch with the people they are elected to represent.^

Well, that’s odd because I can, having lived through the 15 years of the tory governments which brought us to the state we’re in now. Did they really get elected to freeze wages, cut benefits and destroy public services by underfunding them?

I know Labour have been surprisingly bad, but their predecessors weren’t any better.

Nor their predecessors! Blair’s government

Mt61 Fri 22-Aug-25 18:13:33

We already have them living quite near us Casdon. Police are never away from the place. We have to put up & shut up to appease the do-gooders.

Mt61 Fri 22-Aug-25 17:03:56

Yep Allira, that’s why I switched to the Tories- look how that turned out.

GrannyGravy13 Fri 22-Aug-25 16:57:40

Mollygo

KS possibly thinks that his appearance would give more weight to the protestors concerns.
Would you turn up to face a crowd of people demanding to know why from their POV, you’re not doing anything about their concerns?

Sir Starmer is PM, he is the boss and as we all know that’s where the proverbial buck stops…

Mollygo Fri 22-Aug-25 16:55:41

KS possibly thinks that his appearance would give more weight to the protestors concerns.
Would you turn up to face a crowd of people demanding to know why from their POV, you’re not doing anything about their concerns?

Primrose53 Fri 22-Aug-25 16:42:03

escaped

I'm sure KS knows his legal stuff, the outcome should be interesting. I guess he's hoping it won't be an egg on face situation.
Out of interest, I don't think he has set foot in Epping yet.

Just what I asked about KS on my post at 12.55.
He should be out there listening to people not skulking away and ignoring them.

escaped Fri 22-Aug-25 16:06:16

I'm sure KS knows his legal stuff, the outcome should be interesting. I guess he's hoping it won't be an egg on face situation.
Out of interest, I don't think he has set foot in Epping yet.

NotSpaghetti Fri 22-Aug-25 14:15:33

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Spinnaker Fri 22-Aug-25 13:29:12

Primrose53

Breaking news is Govt are appealing against Bell Hotel judgement.

Aye - Starmer's keeping the lawyers well paid at the taxpayer's expense. He'll have put the word out amongst his profession no doubt.

westendgirl Fri 22-Aug-25 13:27:10

I understood that they were appealing against the first part of the ruling.

Primrose53 Fri 22-Aug-25 13:20:11

Breaking news is Govt are appealing against Bell Hotel judgement.

Oreo Fri 22-Aug-25 13:02:28

Allira

Mollygo has it spot n!

They all talk the talk in opposition but actually being in Government is quite, quite different.

Yes, I voted for Labour and yes, I am disappointed in them so far.

Same here.

PoliticsNerd Fri 22-Aug-25 12:58:21

In the play Mark Antony is subtly criticising the recalibration of history not supporting it. He says he doesn't come to praise Caesar. After the oft quoted lines he even declares "so let it be with Caesar". He then manges to make you doubt the nobility of Brutus - who has just been criticising Caesar and follows that by doing the same to the other conspirators.

What I take away from the speech is not that we have to accept the tearing down of someone's reputation because "that's what happens", but that we need to look to those doing the tearing - and their good standing (or otherwise). In this brilliant speech he makes his audience question the conspirators view, not accept it.

Primrose53 Fri 22-Aug-25 12:55:10

Mamardoit

I knowno lots of people who did vote Labour a few have openly expressed their shock and disgust about them in government. Others just keep quiet and look somewhat sheepish when KS etc. are mentioned.

It's no surprise to me they cocked up so dramatically they were the worst opposition party in my lifetime. Then the stupid freebies they felt entitled too. How idiotic.

It saddens me because I was and still want to be a Labour voter. My poor old school shop steward dad is spinning in is grave.

Same here. My Dad was Labour through and through as were all our neighbours. When I was old enough to vote I used to go with my Dad and voted Labour and I carried on for much of my adult life.

They have totally lost the plot now though. They seem more interested in looking out for people from other countries than their own and I just don’t understand that.

Where is Starmer? He should be putting in an appearance and talking to people who are protesting all over the country against the migrant hotels and LISTENING to them.

Mollygo Fri 22-Aug-25 10:53:14

Casdon

I don’t think that’s true for governments Allira? The assessments of individuals yes, but not the impact on society of the actions they take.

The impact on society of Gordon Brown for example!

sundowngirl Fri 22-Aug-25 10:46:44

Iam64 - Where did you get your rose coloured spectacles? I'd like to get some

Valdavi - "coming up with new "knee-jerk" demogogic initiatives every few months, only to ditch them for something else if the people continue to express concerns."
Hasn't Keir Starmer done a number of U-turns?? Seems the same as what you are blaming the Tories for

Casdon Fri 22-Aug-25 10:33:53

Devolution? Good Friday Peace Agreement? The Blair government made some lasting changes which are still with us. We get hung up on individuals far too much.