Setting a precedent?

StripeyGran

Fact One... prices are rising

Fact Two....immigration is rising

Question.....what is the link between the 2?

Do you think the displaced people are grabbing your place at the dentists, pushing up the prices at Tescos?

Really?

The displaced people are displacing themselves.

Fact One... prices are rising

Fact Two....immigration is rising

Question.....what is the link between the 2?

Do you think the displaced people are grabbing your place at the dentists, pushing up the prices at Tescos?

Really?

If you are on a low income you must have noticed how prices are rising, we have a two week wait to see a GP and can’t get a dentist. People are on waiting lists for up to 10 years hoping for social housing. Hospital waiting lists are endless. It is dismal.

Nobody needs to peddle anything because we can see it with our own eyes.

It’s true Primrose53, and you don’t even have to be on a low income to notice the rising prices - fares, fuel, food for example.

I'm not disadvantaged by a long way, but I'm disillusioned, disenchanted and displeased. Quite honestly, I no longer care if I never get to vote again. On this issue it seems to make so little difference, whatever the outcome is.

I'm concerned what is going on for the sake of my grandchildren. And if anyone doesn't like the word concerned, then try uneasy or bothered

growstuff

And I'm bored of pointing out that those are the kind of narratives which Reform loves to peddle, to cause division.

And there are those who are bored with reading it.

Why do you try and smear people because their views are different to yours? As someone else said a lot of people are just very concerned with what’s going on in our country and don’t have time to pick up on every single discussion. You obviously do but wasn’t it you who said, the other day that you are on benefits? Apologies if it wasn’t you.

If you are on a low income you must have noticed how prices are rising, we have a two week wait to see a GP and can’t get a dentist. People are on waiting lists for up to 10 years hoping for social housing. Hospital waiting lists are endless. It is dismal.

Nobody needs to peddle anything because we can see it with our own eyes.

GrannyGravy13

Casdon I agree, successive governments have let down the electorate, the current one came in on a vote of change, all we have got is more of the same.

I don't disagree with you on that point.

I would still strongly disagree with your interpretation of 'disenfranchised', speaking as one who has had to endure years of tory governments, but who still has a vote.

But my real point was that discontent is being not only a result of disappointment in the current government, but also cynical demagoguery on the part of some opposed parties.
I don't see the Green party or the Lib Dems scapegoating sections of the community in order to win support and votes.

Casdon I agree, successive governments have let down the electorate, the current one came in on a vote of change, all we have got is more of the same.

GrannyGravy13

Allira

Well, it sounds like a lack of education and clear thought processes.

I think it shows a feeling of being let down by a Labour Government.

Not everyone is politically aware of every policy Sir `Starmer and his government have initiated, they see the £ in their pocket buying less.

They see irregular migrants with a roof over their head and easy access to NHS including dentistry which a growing percentage of the population have not.

I am bored with posting this, so I assume you are bored of reading it.

This or successive Governments ignoring the disenfranchised will cause problems in the streets.

I think it’s much broader than people feeling let down by a Labour government. The migrant and economic situation would not be different if there was a government of whatever different hue in power. It comes down to the majority of people looking for painless solutions to painful issues affecting the whole western world, which we haven’t faced up to for decades. It’s not a left/right divide at heart, it’s a burying heads in the sand one.

MaizieD this current Labour government have done very little for so called working people other than raising the minimum wage, they are basically Conservatives in disguise.

So yes they are disenfranchised they used their voice (vote) and it hasn’t been listened too.

This or successive Governments ignoring the disenfranchised will cause problems in the streets.

With respect, GG13, I have always taken you to be an intelligent person, but 'disenfranchised' means 'without a vote' and no-one of voting age in the UK is disenfranchised unless they choose to be.

I have every sympathy with the disadvantaged in this country, whose life is being made continually harder by successive governments which haven't dome anything to relieve their hardships; particularly the current government which one would have reasonably expected, on the past history of Labour governments, to have done something positive in that direction.

But whipping people up into a fever pitch of hatred for easy scapegoats such as asylum seekers and benefit claimants; which is the strategy of the far (and not so far) right is deplorable and irresponsible. Any trouble in the future will be as much their doing as that of the inexplicable inertia of the current government.

growstuff

And I'm bored of pointing out that those are the kind of narratives which Reform loves to peddle, to cause division.

growstuff I have never been a fan of Reform, and I have no intention of ever voting for them.

We are on the N & P threads, those posting have an interest in these subjects.

Not everybody has the time or energy to read up on political issues, they see what is around them, what is on the news, social media or the newspaper they buy or see discarded on the train.

To dismiss them or their views as being entirely swayed by Reform narratives is naive and blinkered.

And I'm bored of pointing out that those are the kind of narratives which Reform loves to peddle, to cause division.

Allira

Well, it sounds like a lack of education and clear thought processes.

I think it shows a feeling of being let down by a Labour Government.

Not everyone is politically aware of every policy Sir `Starmer and his government have initiated, they see the £ in their pocket buying less.

They see irregular migrants with a roof over their head and easy access to NHS including dentistry which a growing percentage of the population have not.

I am bored with posting this, so I assume you are bored of reading it.

This or successive Governments ignoring the disenfranchised will cause problems in the streets.

Mt61

Oh so you do mind them? Casdon

From what you’ve said, you’re the one, not me, who would clearly mind if migrants lived next door to you. If your scheme came to fruition that’s what would happen.

Well, it sounds like a lack of education and clear thought processes.

I saw one of the anti hotel demonstrations on tv news last night. One huge handwritten sign said “no lefties wanted here”

What’s happening to our country?

You can't blame the hotel owners, some of them must have been desperate after Covid.

The hotel in my town that they are using is a dump. I'm amazed it hasn't been knocked down long ago.

well said growstuff

Oh so you do mind them? Casdon

escaped

vintage1950

Why didn't those protestors demonstrate outside their local town hall? They would have made their point without intimidating the people inside the hotel..... Oh, wait...

Far better to intimidate people in the hotel than those outside Epping Council offices which are situated in a residential street, with a primary school in that road, and the library. The Bell Hotel is on the outskirts of town on a green area called Bell Common with very few pedestrians walking along outside it, so no one would be disturbed or even scared.

Growstuff, in her Alex Polizzi rôle, is actually right, that the Bell Hotel is a dump. DSiL did some work there. It's owned by a man who has many hotels, of which I think 10 or so house migrants. I don't know about any other hotels though.

Growstuff, in her Alex Polizzi rôle, is actually right, that the Bell Hotel is a dump.

It may well be but not all the hotels are dumps, including the one we were to stay at. The management could have had the decency to let the organisers know that the booking had been cancelled because the Government had commissioned it instead of them finding out when they phoned to finalise details! Presumably the Government paid more, money talks.

StripeyGran

windmill1

Hordes, and I mean hordes, of single fighting age young men, dispersed amongst the population in HMO's?

No thanks.

They have already shown what little - if any - regard they have for women by abandoning their own kind to poverty, persecution and abuse,

Utter , utter nonsense.

How dare you refer to other human beings like this?

Hordes.

" their own kind"

Disgusting.

Calm down dear.

I noticed this is headline news on just about every newspaper this morning when I did my weekly shop.

Labour are scrambling around looking for places to put the illegal immigrants being turfed out of hotels. Nothing will be good enough though. 😉

Other countries must be laughing their heads off at our daft Govt.

Mt61

Iam64

Do gooders - what does that mean?

People who want to do good by these people. So why not put them up?

That’s a plan Mt61, if you don’t mind migrants living right next door to you. It would be like a country wide version of the Miners Strike in the 1980s, . Not your best idea ever.

Some people adopted a Ukrainian family, why not for these people. I think it’s a terrific idea.