Setting a precedent?

Iam64

Do gooders - what does that mean?

People who want to do good by these people. So why not put them up?

Do gooders - what does that mean?

vintage1950

Why didn't those protestors demonstrate outside their local town hall? They would have made their point without intimidating the people inside the hotel..... Oh, wait...

Far better to intimidate people in the hotel than those outside Epping Council offices which are situated in a residential street, with a primary school in that road, and the library. The Bell Hotel is on the outskirts of town on a green area called Bell Common with very few pedestrians walking along outside it, so no one would be disturbed or even scared.

Growstuff, in her Alex Polizzi rôle, is actually right, that the Bell Hotel is a dump. DSiL did some work there. It's owned by a man who has many hotels, of which I think 10 or so house migrants. I don't know about any other hotels though.

I’ve a good idea! Why don’t the do gooders on here do the government a favour & take one, or two of these irregular people 👍🏻 I soon bet like the demonstrators on the ‘side’of the irregular people that were interviewed last week have no room!

Casdon

Bear in mind that the Bibby Stockholm was also decommissioned.

One significant reasons "The Bibby Stockholm"was decommissioned was local Trades refused to stock the ship with any services. Then picking up Legioners Disease,(No cleaning services) is the reason it was stopped. I got this info from one of the team involved trying to sort it out.

Meanwhile Kemi Badenoch is publicly urging Tory led councils to mount legal challenges over migrants being housed in hotels. She must think the public have the memory of gnats, she really does not read the room.

Meanwhile both Wirral, and Tamworth councils, are considering legal challenges to close hotels housing asylum seekers. Both are Labour controlled councils. "Cllr Paula Basnett, the leader of Wirral council whose boundaries include the Wallasey constituency of the immigration minister Angela Eagle, said the council is actively considering “all options” to close a local hotel. We are actively considering all options available to us to ensure that any use of hotels or other premises in Wirral is lawful and does not ride roughshod over planning regulations or the wishes of our communities."

Reading the room is indeed important.

Bear in mind that the Bibby Stockholm was also decommissioned.

sundowngirl

Casdon

There is not enough barracks type accommodation, which is why the last government introduced the use of hotels. More accommodation is being developed of that type since the election, and the number of migrants in hotels has decreased in the last year. Would that the government had a magic wand.

My point is that Badenoch absolutely knows all this, so she is making herself look an idiot when there was no need for her to say anything publicly, if she wanted to lobby Tory led councils she could have done so without the publicity.

I have just heard on the news that the number of migrants living in hotels has actually increased by 8% from when Labour came to power last year
They should never have scrapped the Rwanda scheme

The latest Home Office figures show the number of asylum seekers being housed in hotels has risen 8% over the last year, to 32,059 at the end of June. However, that's a 43% drop compared to September 2023, when numbers peaked at 56,042, and is also a slight decrease on the total at the end of March, which was 32,345.12

StripeyGran

windmill1

Hordes, and I mean hordes, of single fighting age young men, dispersed amongst the population in HMO's?

No thanks.

They have already shown what little - if any - regard they have for women by abandoning their own kind to poverty, persecution and abuse,

Utter , utter nonsense.

How dare you refer to other human beings like this?

Hordes.

" their own kind"

Disgusting.

Hordes - a large group of people

Why is that disgusting?

Meanwhile.. Various Housing is being bought by companies such as "Clearspring Ready Homes" these are bought as HMO's which is housing these Migrants causing overload on Council services . In some cases the Council have been unaware it's happing as reported in The Times at the weekend.
So, not using as many Hotels. Same story diffent avenue.
A local councillor recently told me around over 50 houses have been purchased in our local city. One of the Local MP's was unaware it was even happening (She a Labour MP) This directive apprently comes direct from the Home Office so by - passes the council.
Our local City has said it's saturated and can't take anymore, so these Companies are now looking at smaller areas to distribute these illegal people.
This is going to cause, nationwide problems. Only a week or so ago my Local Town got 75 men stopped from going into newly refurbished flats in the middle of our Town.
Protests and people power with a MP who's not unknown to controversy joined in the protest, with her help it got it stopped....for now. I don't think it will go away.

windmill1

Hordes, and I mean hordes, of single fighting age young men, dispersed amongst the population in HMO's?

No thanks.

They have already shown what little - if any - regard they have for women by abandoning their own kind to poverty, persecution and abuse,

Utter , utter nonsense.

How dare you refer to other human beings like this?

Hordes.

" their own kind"

Disgusting.

Casdon

There is not enough barracks type accommodation, which is why the last government introduced the use of hotels. More accommodation is being developed of that type since the election, and the number of migrants in hotels has decreased in the last year. Would that the government had a magic wand.

My point is that Badenoch absolutely knows all this, so she is making herself look an idiot when there was no need for her to say anything publicly, if she wanted to lobby Tory led councils she could have done so without the publicity.

I have just heard on the news that the number of migrants living in hotels has actually increased by 8% from when Labour came to power last year
They should never have scrapped the Rwanda scheme

That could be true, but they're still not luxurious.
I'm beginning to wonder if you're the Hotel Inspector, growstuff!

Certainly the one we were going to stay in a couple of years ago, whilst not The Ritz, was a very nice hotel with all the amenities one could wish for, carefully chosen to accommodate a group of us, then cancelled a few days before our gathering.

Casdon

There is not enough barracks type accommodation, which is why the last government introduced the use of hotels. More accommodation is being developed of that type since the election, and the number of migrants in hotels has decreased in the last year. Would that the government had a magic wand.

My point is that Badenoch absolutely knows all this, so she is making herself look an idiot when there was no need for her to say anything publicly, if she wanted to lobby Tory led councils she could have done so without the publicity.

She may look like an idiot in the eyes of the politically engaged.

To the disenfranchised she is saying what they want to hear.

Yes growstuff I know they are increasing the capacity at Wethersfield.

I am on the bench when it comes to how much freedom these young men should have outside of the complex.

There is not enough barracks type accommodation, which is why the last government introduced the use of hotels. More accommodation is being developed of that type since the election, and the number of migrants in hotels has decreased in the last year. Would that the government had a magic wand.

My point is that Badenoch absolutely knows all this, so she is making herself look an idiot when there was no need for her to say anything publicly, if she wanted to lobby Tory led councils she could have done so without the publicity.

GrannyGravy13

I didn’t agree with it under the Conservatives.

Sir Starmer came into Government on a tide of smash the gangs it was a silly and impossible catchphrase.

Smash one gang and two will pop up in its place.

House these young men in barrack style accommodation it’s good enough for our armed forces, or barges which accommodate oil workers.

That's why they're currently in Wethersfield and the council has been notified that capacity is likely to increase by 50%.

Primrose53

valdavi

Doodledog

I wonder if it would help if what were hotels (ie places run for the convenience and luxury of paying customers) were renamed when they are repurposed to simply house asylum seekers? They are no longer hotels, any more than an old bank or cinema that is now a Wetherspoons is still what it used to be.

People talk about 'luxury' hotels, as though asylum seekers get champagne delivered by room service and people are given free slippers.

Yes, I always think this when "hotels" for asylum seekers comes up.
Families in the local hotel fleeing Ukraine - sick children and very difficult to give care when in a small room with several children & just basically a kettle and a washbasin for food /medicine prep, shared fridge. They couldn't wait to get out & go to host families with spare room(s).

Any hotel could be considered “luxurious” compared to tents and makeshift shelters that other countries provide.

That could be true, but they're still not luxurious. Many of them had been neglected for years - the owners probably couldn't believe their luck that they were going to be guaranteed 100% occupancy for a fixed term

I didn’t agree with it under the Conservatives.

Sir Starmer came into Government on a tide of smash the gangs it was a silly and impossible catchphrase.

Smash one gang and two will pop up in its place.

House these young men in barrack style accommodation it’s good enough for our armed forces, or barges which accommodate oil workers.

GrannyGravy13

Casdon

Meanwhile Kemi Badenoch is publicly urging Tory led councils to mount legal challenges over migrants being housed in hotels. She must think the public have the memory of gnats, she really does not read the room.

Actually I think Kemi has read the room.

The room of the disenfranchised electorate, those who cannot get a GP appointment have no chance of even registering with a NHS dentist, and see their food and energy bills continually rising.

Fortunately I live in a warm house, with family members near by, all working and able to make ends meet.

I am not blinkered to those who are not living as well as us.

Consistently mocking those who have concerns about irregular migration and accusing them of being right wing, facists or racists will not help or solve the problem.

She certainly saw a photo op to turn up in Epping! She probably spent more time speaking to concerned residents than she ever has in Saffron Walden.

GrannyGravy13

Casdon

Meanwhile Kemi Badenoch is publicly urging Tory led councils to mount legal challenges over migrants being housed in hotels. She must think the public have the memory of gnats, she really does not read the room.

Actually I think Kemi has read the room.

The room of the disenfranchised electorate, those who cannot get a GP appointment have no chance of even registering with a NHS dentist, and see their food and energy bills continually rising.

Fortunately I live in a warm house, with family members near by, all working and able to make ends meet.

I am not blinkered to those who are not living as well as us.

Consistently mocking those who have concerns about irregular migration and accusing them of being right wing, facists or racists will not help or solve the problem.

But housing migrants in hotels was a flagship Tory policy GrannyGravy13, and it’s been controversial from the beginning, the Epping objection is by no means the first one. She doesn’t have the sense to keep her powder dry, knowing that if the Tories were in power things would be no different.

GrannyGravy13

Casdon

Meanwhile Kemi Badenoch is publicly urging Tory led councils to mount legal challenges over migrants being housed in hotels. She must think the public have the memory of gnats, she really does not read the room.

Actually I think Kemi has read the room.

The room of the disenfranchised electorate, those who cannot get a GP appointment have no chance of even registering with a NHS dentist, and see their food and energy bills continually rising.

Fortunately I live in a warm house, with family members near by, all working and able to make ends meet.

I am not blinkered to those who are not living as well as us.

Consistently mocking those who have concerns about irregular migration and accusing them of being right wing, facists or racists will not help or solve the problem.

Well said GG13 👏👏

The Tory’s had fourteen years to get this problem sorted, they did nothing. I am ashamed to say after voting labour all these years, I turned to the Tories, just as bad. Now it’s an even worse problem.

Casdon

Meanwhile Kemi Badenoch is publicly urging Tory led councils to mount legal challenges over migrants being housed in hotels. She must think the public have the memory of gnats, she really does not read the room.

Actually I think Kemi has read the room.

The room of the disenfranchised electorate, those who cannot get a GP appointment have no chance of even registering with a NHS dentist, and see their food and energy bills continually rising.

Fortunately I live in a warm house, with family members near by, all working and able to make ends meet.

I am not blinkered to those who are not living as well as us.

Consistently mocking those who have concerns about irregular migration and accusing them of being right wing, facists or racists will not help or solve the problem.

Meanwhile Kemi Badenoch is publicly urging Tory led councils to mount legal challenges over migrants being housed in hotels. She must think the public have the memory of gnats, she really does not read the room.