Man made famine - the world should be ashamed

ronib

None of this war is remotely acceptable. It is a further shame that Western democracies have not been able to show real leadership and initiative instead of taking pot shots from the sidelines.

It is no shame at all that European democracies have been unable to solve the Gaza disaster. Failure to stop something, doesn't mean that those trying to sort the problem are failures that they are in no position to solve

Foreign governments can do all they can to intervene, but unless those taking part are prepared to co-operate there is nothing anyone can do to stop them.

The fact of the matter is that the only people who can do anything to stop these famines are those directly involved in them.

A non-famine country, but look at Ukraine. Trump is determined to get his Nobel Peace price and he has been talking Putin now, for nearly 8 months. Where has it got him? absolutely nowhere. This problem he was going to solve in 24 hours. Why? Because Putin is determined to conquer Ukraine and take it over, full stop and Trump is in no position to do aanything to change Putin's mind

The same basic reasoning applies in Gaza. The only solution is military operation. Troops from NATO, possibly, or Saudi Arabia, or Dubai, actually invading Israel and stopping the genocide.

There is no other way. They have all been tried.

None of this war is remotely acceptable. It is a further shame that Western democracies have not been able to show real leadership and initiative instead of taking pot shots from the sidelines.

ronib so you think two people dying of starvation is acceptable? People can live for a long time on little food but will be suffering.
Not getting enough food causes extreme pain and exhaustion.
The weakest will die.

Quote AGAA4 Mon 25-Aug-25 09:47:05
A military chief in Israel wants Netanyahu to take the hostage deal and cease fighting.
He says the IDF soldiers are exhausted and want no more killing.

This may be true or not, a statement from one person doesn’t mean true, he will have support of his claim and we will know

Israel will not and cannot continue with Hamas in Gaza. The problem is for Israel to solve. Germany will have to accept that the two State solution is not going to work.
If any country takes on Israel, don’t expect a complacent target. Israel is fighting for its survival.
If the accusations of widespread famine are true, how many Gazans should have died by now of hunger? 2 in every 10,000 daily is one estimate. Leaving 9,998 not?

A military chief in Israel wants Netanyahu to take the hostage deal and cease fighting.
He says the IDF soldiers are exhausted and want no more killing.

M0nica

^However, there is a world of difference between famine brought on by natural causes, the economic system, the result of war etc and a famine that is a deliberate act of war and entirely within the remit of a government - members of whom have declared genocide on a group of oppressed people.^

Famine is famine and in this day and age all famine is human-made. The niceties you worry aabout completely elude me, famine is as much genocide in Somalia as in Gaza.

But we can all wring our hands and donate a few quid, butthe question is 'How do you stop it'. Everything else is irrelevant

There would be no famine if Israel had not enforced a complete blockade.

Not a single person would have died from hunger.

That is the difference, and I am surprised that the difference has eluded you.

What we thought of Israel as a civilised country has shocked so many with its use of starvation as a weapon of war and the unrelenting killing of the innocent.

However, there is a world of difference between famine brought on by natural causes, the economic system, the result of war etc and a famine that is a deliberate act of war and entirely within the remit of a government - members of whom have declared genocide on a group of oppressed people.

Famine is famine and in this day and age all famine is human-made. The niceties you worry aabout completely elude me, famine is as much genocide in Somalia as in Gaza.

But we can all wring our hands and donate a few quid, butthe question is 'How do you stop it'. Everything else is irrelevant

The majority now accept that Netanyahu and his cronies are committing genocide/ethnic cleansing, and now using starvation as a weapon.
Those standing against the tide of popular opinion and the increasing opinion of western governments, have their own reasons for doing so, but are becoming increasingly irrelevant.

The Economist

Binyamin Netanyahu may see a tactical military advantage in squeezing the space available to Palestinians inside Gaza, forcing people to congregate in desolate, crowded and ill-equipped areas in the south of the strip. Some in his government seem to favour using food as a weapon of war. But the long-run cost to Israel’s reputation will be high. Polling data show a surge in negative attitudes towards Israel globally, even before famine arrived. Countries that were once stalwart supporters—such as Germany—are distancing themselves. Crucially, public opinion in America is also turning negative. I can only imagine that process continuing. It may mark a generational change in attitudes towards Israel.

M0nica

Whitewavemark2

We sit by watching as children starve to death, their mothers’ cannot feed them and their fathers’ unable to provide them with food.

Every single calorie is controlled by one government.

Why are we allowing this situation to continue?

Anyone can say ^ Why are we allowing this situation to continue?^

The real question is How do we stop it? not just in Gaza but also in Somalia

All famine is and always has been abhorrent, and giving aid is all that I and many millions like me can do, as well as make our feelings known.

However, there is a world of difference between famine brought on by natural causes, the economic system, the result of war etc and a famine that is a deliberate act of war and entirely within the remit of a government - members of whom have declared genocide on a group of oppressed people.

ronib

There are numerous videos showing men usually carrying sacks of food on their heads. Food must be getting through otherwise there would be 2 million dead people by now.

So that's your target? Get to 2 million dead of starvation and then we accept it's happening and something has to be done.

.... otherwise there would be 2 million dead people by now as opposed to 2 million without enough to eat because aid isn't being allowed in.

Whitewavemark2

We sit by watching as children starve to death, their mothers’ cannot feed them and their fathers’ unable to provide them with food.

Every single calorie is controlled by one government.

Why are we allowing this situation to continue?

Anyone can say ^ Why are we allowing this situation to continue?^

The real question is How do we stop it? not just in Gaza but also in Somalia

There are numerous videos showing men usually carrying sacks of food on their heads. Food must be getting through otherwise there would be 2 million dead people by now.

ronib

I understand that there’s some food in the south?

How do you understand that?
And if you have read this or seen it somewhere online I hope you understand that just as you dismiss anything online about starvation as propaganda you must expect the same response to anything you may have read that says otherwise.

I understand that there’s some food in the south?

ronib

I thought the Israeli government were clearing North Gaza and so it would be unsurprising if famine wasn’t happening there as part of the relocation process? This is a war after all.

There is a war taking place between Russia and Ukraine would you be so ready to accept starvation as part of that war simply because ‘this is a war after all?’
Starvation is not acceptable as part of any war, there are international laws that draw the line between what constitutes the inevitable and tragic casualties of war and war crimes.

I thought the Israeli government were clearing North Gaza and so it would be unsurprising if famine wasn’t happening there as part of the relocation process? This is a war after all.

Famine - The Economist

ronib

What does that mean?

That was in reply to the previous poster. Sorry.

What does that mean?

History repeats itself as some people will justify almost anything.

The Houthis had another missile attack on Israel recently and fortunately the Iron Dome was effective.
Is Israel taking on too much? Effectively fighting Iran for the West?