Man made famine - the world should be ashamed

From Caitlin Johnson - “Most Israel apologia at this point is just people pretending to believe things they don’t really believe. Palestinians aren’t really being starved. Gaza looks like a gravel parking lot because Hamas put explosives in all the buildings. The IDF has a low civilian-to-combatant kill ratio. Gaza’s entire healthcare infrastructure was destroyed because Hamas was hiding under all the hospitals. Nobody actually believes these things. They’re just pretending to believe them in order to justify genocidal atrocities and help ensure that they continue.

They’re really the worst people in the world”.

‘Starvation Is Everywhere': Virtual Tours of Gaza Clinics Expose the Scale of the Horror- Haaretz.com

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-08-21/ty-article-magazine/starvation-is-everywhere-virtual-tours-of-gaza-clinics-expose-the-scale-of-the-horror/00000198-ccb7-dcce-a5bf-cdb714fb0000

We don't need to bomb Israel. If Trump told them "hold off, else we won't have your back in future" then that would suffice.

Quote Desdemona Sat 23-Aug-25 14:35:10
We need strong people in our government doing the things that the voters want.

Some try to. However a lot of the people who represent us are out to feather their own greedy nests, and will do whatever they need to in order to further that.

Do what ? so much hysteria now there are some who want Israel bombed.

We need strong people in our government doing the things that the voters want.

Some try to. However a lot of the people who represent us are out to feather their own greedy nests, and will do whatever they need to in order to further that.

There was footage a week or so ago when an Israeli woman was asked whether Gaza should be subjected to further heavy bombing. Her answer was no, not until the hostages were released and then they (the Israelis) could "do what they want".

This is not a war, it is a deliberate act of genocide. How can you possibly compare Hamas with the might of the Israeli army - with all its sophisticated weaponry, drones and Iron Dome - not to mention the mealy-mouthed attitude of most countries, many of which are providing even more military and strategic support.

Most reputable humanitarian organisations have condemned what is happening, and British doctors have testified about the indiscriminate bombing and the terrible injuries sustained by children. How can you to otherwise than condemn when there is ample evidence to demonstrate that Palestinians are being starved and terrorised. Many high profile Jewish people, organisations and ordinary Jewish people, are disgusted at what is happening.

Thank you Babs. Yes we have our opinions.

Anniebach

Quote Babs03 Sat 23-Aug-25 12:35:44
Once Hamas return the hostages Israel will destroy what is left of Gaza. Hamas disarming or withdrawing won’t prevent this.

How do you know this ? If as is repeated here Israel is killing all in Gaza, why not release all hostages and give at least some chance to stop the alleged genocide

I can only base my opinion upon Netanyahus stance so far and the mindset of extremists in the Knesset who have openly stated that Gaza should be flattened and all Palestinians removed.
As for handing hostages back there have been several opportunities along the way to do this, imho if Israel had wanted the hostages home and a peaceful solution this could have been achieved when Qatar held peace talks in the beginning.
Hamas has agreed to release 20 hostages still alive in two groups and despite hyperbolical rhetoric I believe they are so depleted and worn down that they would agree to a peaceful solution.
But we need a damn good mediator, usually the US would step in but Trump just wants to develop Gaza as a second Vegas.

winterwhite

No one has a monopoly on compassion.

OP, "sitting by" is harsh. What do you think GB can practically do that it isn't doing?

We know that Israel is not entirely resistant to outside pressure. After stopping all food, water medical assistance, it did allow in a trickle as a result of world pressure.

There is so much we (the world) can do.

There has been no overall leader of Hamas since Yahya Sinwar and then his brother Mohammed were killed by the IDF in 2024 and 2025.
Overall organizational leadership of Hamas is currently held by a temporary committee composed of five officials based in Doha.

winterwhite

No one has a monopoly on compassion.

OP, "sitting by" is harsh. What do you think GB can practically do that it isn't doing?

We can stop broadcasting Hamas propaganda, none of it can be verified, the BBC makes the disclaimer every time, doing so supports Hamas.

Justifying the killing of 10s of thousands of civilians by invoking “human shields” torches the core principles of international law.

This argument piles fallacy upon fallacy. Under international law, using civilians as human shields means forcing them to live alongside military targets. It doesn't mean fighting in an area that just happens to have civilians around. Hamas certainly does the latter. It fights from withinGaza’s civilian population, and thus puts civilians at risk. But that is typical of insurgent groups. No guerrilla force puts on brightly coloured uniforms, walks into a field and takes on a vastly more powerful conventional army.

In fact even conventional armies operate near civilians. Civilians do not become fair game just because there are fighters near-by

Additional protocol to the Fourth Geneva. Convention, the presence of fighters in an area ‘shall not release the Parties to the conflict from their legal obligations with respect to the civilian population”
One key obligation is proportionality. According to the Additional Protocol, the “loss of civilian life” from an attack cannot be “excessive in relation to the concrete and direct military advantage anticipated”

Israel’s assault on Gaza became excessive on October 9th when it cut off food and electricity to everyone in Gaza.

Ref. “Being Jewish after the Destruction of Gaza”
Peter Beinhart

Quote Babs03 Sat 23-Aug-25 12:35:44
Once Hamas return the hostages Israel will destroy what is left of Gaza. Hamas disarming or withdrawing won’t prevent this.

How do you know this ? If as is repeated here Israel is killing all in Gaza, why not release all hostages and give at least some chance to stop the alleged genocide

No one has a monopoly on compassion.

OP, "sitting by" is harsh. What do you think GB can practically do that it isn't doing?

Gaza is being destroyed as we type.

What mindset wouldn't agree to give 10 hostages back to their families. Now no hostages will likely be returned.

Once Hamas return the hostages Israel will destroy what is left of Gaza. Hamas disarming or withdrawing won’t prevent this.

foxie48

No, definitely not, please read my post again.

The leader of Hamas could end the war a lot quicker than Trump, return the hostages and agree to an unconditional surrender.

All of them could have been home 6 months ago.

The hostages were to be released in two stages.

Why did Israel not agree? I read it was because only 10 hostages out of 20 were going to be released. Not the 30 corpses that Israelis want returned. What mindset even proposed this? Hamas.

How many times does it have to be said that the hostages Could and should have been released in March months ago, but Israel broke that agreement and began the bombing again.

Hamas agreed, with conditions of a ceasefire, yet again in the last week to releasing hostages but Israel will not agree. Again.
So which side is wanting to stop the killing, it’s not Israel.

My last post was toDavid

No, definitely not, please read my post again.

Anniebach

Where are videos from Hamas showing the victims of the alleged starvation, we saw the horrors of Ethiopia

There have been videos and photographs of starving babies and children on news channels for weeks. I can't believe you haven't seen them.

Journalists were allowed into Ethiopia they aren't allowed into Israel.

Hamas leadership is clinging on to life. Death for them is not an attractive option. Stuff the rest of the population….