Man made famine - the world should be ashamed

It would become very confusing if we try to discuss Gaza and Sudan in the same thread.
It's easy to start a new thread but I think this is the usual 'change the subject' by those who try to deflect from the brutality happening in Gaza.

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David49

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David49

So we are ignoring Sudan which is currently the worst crisis.

Well there is a thread about Sudan, to which many of us including yourself contributed 🙄

You started the thread about famine not Gaza and Sudan is far worse and that is just the greed of one side. Gaza is survival of the state blame Hamas.

If you actually read the OP it would have been obvious that the subject was Gaza

No others made it about Gaza

David49

Babs03

I blame Hamas for the heinous Oct 7th attack as has everyone on threads like this but I blame Netanyahu and his far right cronies for responding disproportionately and turning this into a genocide, using starvation as a weapon of war.
And I might add there have been attacks by the IDF on Palestinians in the West Bank with property and land taken to build more illegal settlements which is not related to what is happening in Gaza.

So Hamas using several million Palestinians as human shields is entirely innocent

You clearly do not understand the Geneva convention and the responsibility Israel has towards the civilian population.

Aveline

Blame Israel for making Hamas so desperate.

Poor Hamas are terrorists and don’t deserve your sympathy

David49

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David49

So we are ignoring Sudan which is currently the worst crisis.

Well there is a thread about Sudan, to which many of us including yourself contributed 🙄

You started the thread about famine not Gaza and Sudan is far worse and that is just the greed of one side. Gaza is survival of the state blame Hamas.

If you actually read the OP it would have been obvious that the subject was Gaza

Because that is the morals and heart of the Israeli government. They are beyond contempt and godless, they should lose their land. I hope they are tried and found guilty of genocide and horrific war crimes.

Babs03

I blame Hamas for the heinous Oct 7th attack as has everyone on threads like this but I blame Netanyahu and his far right cronies for responding disproportionately and turning this into a genocide, using starvation as a weapon of war.
And I might add there have been attacks by the IDF on Palestinians in the West Bank with property and land taken to build more illegal settlements which is not related to what is happening in Gaza.

So Hamas using several million Palestinians as human shields is entirely innocent

JohnnyMo

Whitewavemark2

I trust all those people who are in denial over the famine will have the decency to admit how wrong they were when the truth is absolutely unavoidable.

Denial over the famine or the cause of the famine ?

Both

Blame Israel for making Hamas so desperate.

I blame Hamas for the heinous Oct 7th attack as has everyone on threads like this but I blame Netanyahu and his far right cronies for responding disproportionately and turning this into a genocide, using starvation as a weapon of war.
And I might add there have been attacks by the IDF on Palestinians in the West Bank with property and land taken to build more illegal settlements which is not related to what is happening in Gaza.

Famine is a consequence of war the longer it goes on the worse it gets Europe was starving after WW1 and WW2 and disease killed as many as warfare.

These days aid agencies have to give up part of the food aid to the fighters which prolongs the war, Gaza or Sudan it’s the a
Same

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David49

So we are ignoring Sudan which is currently the worst crisis.

Well there is a thread about Sudan, to which many of us including yourself contributed 🙄

You started the thread about famine not Gaza and Sudan is far worse and that is just the greed of one side. Gaza is survival of the state blame Hamas.

Whitewavemark2

I trust all those people who are in denial over the famine will have the decency to admit how wrong they were when the truth is absolutely unavoidable.

Denial over the famine or the cause of the famine ?

woodenspoon

Does anybody remember what started this and who started it? Hamas kidnapped and killed Israeli citizens. That’s what started all this. The mess is of their making. Those Israeli citizens are also being starved to death by Hamas while in captive.

This started long before the Hamas attack. The Palestinian people have been oppressed by Israel for many years.

Babs03: ... 𝙏𝙝𝙚 𝙩𝙧𝙪𝙘𝙠𝙨 𝙡𝙖𝙙𝙚𝙣 𝙬𝙞𝙩𝙝 𝙖𝙞𝙙 𝙘𝙖𝙣𝙣𝙤𝙩 𝙙𝙚𝙡𝙞𝙫𝙚𝙧 𝙞𝙩 𝙗𝙚𝙘𝙖𝙪𝙨𝙚 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙄𝘿𝙁 𝙛𝙞𝙧𝙚 𝙪𝙥𝙤𝙣 𝙩𝙝𝙚𝙢 𝙖𝙣𝙙 𝙥𝙚𝙤𝙥𝙡𝙚 𝙙𝙚𝙨𝙥𝙚𝙧𝙖𝙩𝙚 𝙩𝙤 𝙖𝙘𝙘𝙚𝙨𝙨 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙛𝙤𝙤𝙙.

ITN reporter reported IDF troops discussing do they shoot the looters and be blamed for civilian deaths or not and be blamed for not protecting the food convoy. In the end they did nothing and all the food was looted by young fit healthy men.

What would you do in that situation ?

eazybee

Yes, HAMAS should be ashamed for bringing about this situation.

Many 'spokespeople' are repeating the stories given to them by Hamas without verification, and many gullible people trust them.
One has only to look at the BBC and its reluctant but increasingly common apologies for incorrect information.

Have many governments in Europe and beyond not verified the truth of what Israel is doing before condemning their actions. You may not believe Hamas but Israel is lying too but we can see what is happening in Gaza. The sheer brutality is evident.

Does anybody remember what started this and who started it? Hamas kidnapped and killed Israeli citizens. That’s what started all this. The mess is of their making. Those Israeli citizens are also being starved to death by Hamas while in captive.

I trust all those people who are in denial over the famine will have the decency to admit how wrong they were when the truth is absolutely unavoidable.

eazybee

Yes, HAMAS should be ashamed for bringing about this situation.

Many 'spokespeople' are repeating the stories given to them by Hamas without verification, and many gullible people trust them.
One has only to look at the BBC and its reluctant but increasingly common apologies for incorrect information.

What nonsense

David49

So we are ignoring Sudan which is currently the worst crisis.

Well there is a thread about Sudan, to which many of us including yourself contributed 🙄

Yes, HAMAS should be ashamed for bringing about this situation.

Many 'spokespeople' are repeating the stories given to them by Hamas without verification, and many gullible people trust them.
One has only to look at the BBC and its reluctant but increasingly common apologies for incorrect information.

David49

So we are ignoring Sudan which is currently the worst crisis.

If you want to start a thread about Sudan feel free to do so.

JohnnyMo

I have never seen a famine where relief lorries are wrecked and looted by those who are meant to be starving.

I've seen man-made famines in Africa, where food is held back by forces to create a famine which is different to the situation in Gaza. AFAIU Israel would allow food in providing the UN could guarantee its' safe distribution.

So every aid agency and human rights organisation, as well as western governments and the UN, are lying when they say that the Israeli government has caused the famine??
The trucks laden with aid cannot deliver it because the IDF fire upon them and people desperate to access the food.

I have never seen a famine where relief lorries are wrecked and looted by those who are meant to be starving.

I've seen man-made famines in Africa, where food is held back by forces to create a famine which is different to the situation in Gaza. AFAIU Israel would allow food in providing the UN could guarantee its' safe distribution.

The propaganda film released by Israel of aid workers stirring huge vats of hot food, pre prepared appetising food on plastic plates and an array of various supplies on stacked shelves, including Snickers bars is sickening, and insults the intelligence of everyone who can see this genocide for what it is.