Man made famine - the world should be ashamed

This persistent trope of anyone condemning the actions of the Israeli government must be a supporter of Hamas has been shown time and time again to be absolute nonsense. The long list of countries that used to support Israel but now are condemning it's behaviour aren't suddenly supporting a terrorist group they are showing their humanity and belief in following the rules of war. Just like most if not all of the posters on this forum.

Hamas are not heroes, and for a while following the atrocities committed on 7th Oct the majority were supporting the Israeli response to the attacks. Western governments rallied round the government pledging support which resulted in more weapons as well as moral indignation.
But that support was sorely tested as time went on and the death toll from Gaza doubled, then trebled, then quadrupled, and a convoy of aid workers were killed, hospitals and schools where people went for safety were targeted. And the death toll continued to increase. Gradually voices in various governments became concerned, populations started to demonstrate. Everyone was getting queasy. As international laws started to be flouted and war crimes declared western governments started to distance themselves, to withdraw support, and to become openly critical. These were previously die hard supporters of Israel not fickle fair weather allies, but still the death toll increased. Then came the famine and the majority who had stood by Israel were becoming disgusted by increasing reports from aid agencies and medics on the ground in Gaza.
Now only a minority support Israel and a U.S. President who once described the leader of Northern Korea as a strong man who is good for his people.
Hardly a great judge of character.

Next step Hamas will be heroes, so petty

Aveline

It is most certainly not 'all Gaza's doing'. Palestinians have been harried and bullied by Israel to such an extent that of course they've rebelled. Israel has created this army of freedom fighters by their own behaviour.

Freedom fighters? Hollow laugh! They’re terrorists and cold bloodied killers of families, they’re cowards too, for all their mad extremist bullshit.It’s the end for them now.

Well said theatre lover 👏🏽👏🏽

A good post theatreLover

Theatrelover 👏

ronib

I wish people would stop and read Israel’s voice….

I read the Times of Israel which I believe is a reputable newspaper? I do this to try and understand why so many Israelis don't care that their government is responding to the terrible Hamas atrocity with such inappropriate force. I do understand that the Israelis' priority is to get the hostages back. I do understand that the Israelis do not want another atrocity such as that on 7 October 2023.

I do not understand why so many Israelis seem to support indiscriminate killing of Palestinians on the pretext of killing Hamas operatives. I don't understand why some Israelis don't care about the targeting of infrastructure such as hospitals, and professionals such as medics and reporters. These are war crimes.

I do not understand why some Israelis do not seem to understand that the Israeli government's actions, and future actions if Netanyahu's pronouncements are to be believed, have meant that much of the hitherto sympathy and respect for Israel has been lost over the last 22 months. A commander of IDF, I think that's who he was, wrote to Netanyahu a few mouths ago to give his opinion that the inappropriate force being used against the Palestinians will mean that the people of Israel will be less, not more, safe in the future, yet still the bloodshed continues.

And while we are looking at Gaza, the Settlers are stealing yet more of the West Bank Palestinian land, often violently, all sanctioned by the Israeli Government. I don't understand the mindset of people who think that is acceptable. Hamas operatives are not in the West Bank, so they can't be a convenient excuse for the subjugation of the Palestinians there.

Babs03 .👍

Correction - untouched towns and cities

@ronib which Arab countries are lining up to attack Israel, those bordering Israel don’t want to get involved and end up with the IDF bombing them as well, plus the US has paid them handsomely to toe the line. Jordan was even instrumental in shooting down Iranian missiles heading for the Israel. Which leaves Lebanon, hardly a threat anymore. Also, Iran isn’t an Arab country and has few allies in the Arab world.
The populations of these countries might feel anger and outrage but their governments are pretty good at dealing with dissent.
Tbh nobody can really touch Israel, Iran trued and gave up pretty quickly. And that is because they have nukes, a dome of iron, and a massive army supplied with state of the art weaponry. For a country under attack one only needs to compare the untouched turns and cities in Israel with the moonscape that is Gaza.
As for the Oct 7th attacks, in a country like Israel that should never have happened, there was a sizeable lapse in security for a very long time but that it is for Israel to investigate.
Hamas can use all the hyperbolical threats they want but they know the game is over and has been for a while, there is no way they can ever wipe out all the Jews in Israel, that reads like a line from a fantasy novel, but Israel can and is wiping out as many Palestinians as possible.

Is there anyone the UK should be supporting? We seem to be in isolation after Brexit.., the USA doesn’t need our support. I guess we’re helping Ukraine and that is another hopeless cause.

ronib

So it would seem Magenta8 Hamas has said this many times. And your response is??

If they really have stated that they want to do this, it seems a totally unrealistic and despicably cruel aim. OK, satisfied?

I agree with your last sentence ronib. The UK IMO shouldn't be posturing as a friend of Israel; the UK shouldn't be seen to be friend to Israel in any way, shape or form.

Creeping into Gaza is a bit vague? Israel is now claiming even more land in a settlement called E1 I think. Something needs to be done to improve living conditions in Greater Israel. It’s a country constantly at war. However there’s very little that the West can do or is doing to improve the situation. Arab countries seem lined up to attack Israel at every opportunity. It’s all hopeless with no sign of improvement. It’s a mistake for the UK to posture as a friend of Israel imo when it’s sitting on the fence.

Babs03

I agree LizzieDrip, when a person cannot see what is in plain sight there is nothing to be gained from pointing it out to them.
But right now increasing numbers of western governments and members of their populations, who supported the Israeli government to begin with, are becoming disgusted and distressed by what is happening in Gaza, and Israel - previously the darling of the west - is becoming a pariah state, isolated from all bar an erratic and volatile President in the US.
As Dylan once famously sang ‘the times they are a’changing’, and am certain that just as Hamas cannot ever come back from this neither can the reputation of Israel on the world stage.

I think that those who support Netanyahu forget that those of us who have shown compassion and empathy towards the civilians, non supporting Hamas Palestinians do NOT in any way shape or form think what Hamas did is justified.

ronib

Can I remind you how all this started? How many civilians did Hamas kill in October 2023? Wwm2
Please keep God out of this.

No one is supporting Hamas, never, however it’s not strictly true is it to say this is all down to the Hamas act, terrible and horrific as it was.

Israel have been creeping into Gaza for decades.

So it would seem Magenta8 Hamas has said this many times. And your response is??

Hamas wants to wipe out all Jews.

What every single one all over the world?

Quote Parsley3 Wed 27-Aug-25 12:50:52
Commenting on the strike, Netanyahu said: "Israel deeply regrets the tragic mishap that occurred today at the Nasser Hospital in Gaza.

"Israel values the work of journalists, medical staff, and all civilians.

"The military authorities are conducting a thorough investigation

Terrorists not in that list

Commenting on the strike, Netanyahu said: "Israel deeply regrets the tragic mishap that occurred today at the Nasser Hospital in Gaza.

"Israel values the work of journalists, medical staff, and all civilians.

"The military authorities are conducting a thorough investigation

Rubbish

Because the Israelis will bomb them too

Why can’t the remaining animals procreate? foxie48

Oreo

Anniebach

71% greenhouses destroyed . 34% goats left. Who did the counting Hamas !

And why if people are starving are there all those cattle, goats and hens still out there?

Perhaps because both goats and cattle can be milked and hens provide eggs, kill them and that's a food source gone for ever.