Man made famine - the world should be ashamed

It is most certainly not 'all Gaza's doing'. Palestinians have been harried and bullied by Israel to such an extent that of course they've rebelled. Israel has created this army of freedom fighters by their own behaviour.

I have been shown two photographs, group of victims in the Holocaust, group of IDF holding cards saying Never Again

I wish people would stop and read Israel’s voice….

ronib

Cossy yes I do mean that. Think about it. Israel will never allow a repeat of the situation which led to the October massacre. Israel is redefining the boundaries in Gaza as it sees fit. If it still doesn’t work out, then I guess there’ll be war for another 100 years ? I don’t believe that the occupants of Gaza will be wiped out- but I do think that land will be reallocated in Gaza. Netanyahu is too astute to follow the example set by Hamas. Hamas wants to wipe out all Jews. Easy to forget isn’t it?

Easy to forget or not care in the first place?
Yes, Gaza will be changed forever where the boundaries are concerned and will likely be much reduced.Blame the Gaza government for that, it was all their doing.

Anniebach

71% greenhouses destroyed . 34% goats left. Who did the counting Hamas !

And why if people are starving are there all those cattle, goats and hens still out there?

Anniebach

Quote silverlining48 Wed 27-Aug-25 09:42:26
Hamas is/ was divided into political and military groups. The political group ran Gaza, much the same as IRA military and Sinn Fein political.

Comparing Hamas with IRA !

Annie, during The Troubles the IRA launched many mainland bombings in Britain with many killed and injured, they were a terrorist group that also murdered many people in NI and knee capped and tortured those they let go.
The ANC in SA headed by Mandela also killed people and caused injury and so were labelled a terrorist group, that is why Mandela was arrested.
The Kurds- allies of the west - have a group the PKK in Turkey who once had a campaign which involved bombing tourist resorts and killing innocent people.
Am sure you have sympathies for one or more of these oppressed groups.
But they are or were labelled terrorists for fighting oppression.

71% greenhouses destroyed . 34% goats left. Who did the counting Hamas !

Cossy yes I do mean that. Think about it. Israel will never allow a repeat of the situation which led to the October massacre. Israel is redefining the boundaries in Gaza as it sees fit. If it still doesn’t work out, then I guess there’ll be war for another 100 years ? I don’t believe that the occupants of Gaza will be wiped out- but I do think that land will be reallocated in Gaza. Netanyahu is too astute to follow the example set by Hamas. Hamas wants to wipe out all Jews. Easy to forget isn’t it?

Figures from the famine being inflicted on Gaza by Israel.

The IDF have acknowledged as true the high level of civilian deaths. But of course the excuse (although recognised as a war crime) is that the unfortunate civilians are human shields.

But it doesn’t stop there. And this is where the argument breaks down. It is clear from the following figures that Israel is not only stopping all aid entering Gaza, it is also busy destroying any possibility of the Palestinians producing their own food

Fishing industry - completely destroyed

90% of the industrial assets in food production - destroyed.

62% of roads - destroyed.

82% of agricultural wells -destroyed

71% greenhouses -destroyed

90% crop land - destroyed.

Lifestock.

Only

26% sheep left

34% of goats left

3.8% cattle left

1.4% of fowl left.

It is clear from these figures that israel has almost completely destroyed the eco-system that is needed to sustain life.

It is a deliberate policy.

Quote silverlining48 Wed 27-Aug-25 09:42:26
Hamas is/ was divided into political and military groups. The political group ran Gaza, much the same as IRA military and Sinn Fein political.

Comparing Hamas with IRA !

ronib

The war would end sooner if the West backed Israel instead of opposing it.

Would it? Don’t you mean all occupants of Gaza would be wiped out, including women and children, and the Gaza Strip taken by Netunyahu ?

Hamas is/ was divided into political and military groups. The political group ran Gaza, much the same as IRA military and Sinn Fein political.

The West is too stupid to realise that it’s being played.

The West choose to condemn one Jewish state than over 50
Arab states ?

The war would end sooner if the West backed Israel instead of opposing it.

Whitewavemark2

We sit by watching as children starve to death, their mothers’ cannot feed them and their fathers’ unable to provide them with food.

Every single calorie is controlled by one government.

Why are we allowing this situation to continue?

I completely agree, it’s a disgusting disgrace!

I think our govt CAN and should do more.

I think both Palestinians and Israelis are suffering from this pointless war, Hamas are evil but they don’t represent all of Gaza, Netanyahu is power mad and doesn’t appear to care about his people or anyone else.

It sickens me to see children suffer ring in this way.

It seems as if Iran has a never ending supply of Hamas leaders? The West has fallen asleep.

What will be the indication that Hamas (a foul terrorist organization) is finally defeated? The Hamas leaders are in Doha and surely need to be taken out to meet the objective and a win declared.

This reads like a third rate junta report denying that it is actually committing any crimes.

It is laughable and exceedingly sad to read.

Israel has descended into a state of pariah status where the rule of law applies to no one it considers its enemy

The IPC has provided a comprehensive description of its methodology backing up its findings with data and cross-referencing.

It has been meticulous in its evidence based on empirical facts.

Israel’s refutation contains none of the necessary detail required to dispute the IPC, and can therefore only rate as opinion.

The facts: (from Israel)

Since May, 10,000+ trucks of aid entered Gaza.
80% carried food
Measures made for collection from crossings more efficient for UN & NGOs
The IPC has published a “tailor-made” fabricated report to fit Hamas’s fake campaign.
The IPC twisted its own rules and ignored its own criteria to produce false accusations against Israel.
The IPC changed its global standard, reducing the 30% threshold to 15% for this report only.
The IPC ignored its second criterion of death rate entirely to serve Hamas’s fake campaign.
The entire IPC document is based on Hamas lies laundered through organizations with vested interests.
Reality on the Ground in Gaza

There is no famine in Gaza.
Over 100,000 trucks of aid have entered Gaza since the start of the war.
Recent weeks have seen a massive influx of aid, flooding Gaza with staple foods and causing food prices to plummet.
The laws of supply and demand prove the reality – the IPC does not.
Track Record of False Forecasts

Every forecast by the IPC regarding Gaza during the war has proven baseless and false.
This latest assessment will also end up in the despicable trash bin of political documents
Previous reports and assessments by the IPC have repeatedly been proven inaccurate and do not reflect the reality on the ground. The report deliberately disregards data that was provided to its authors in a meeting held prior to its publication, and completely overlooks the efforts made in recent weeks to stabilize the humanitarian situation in the Gaza Strip.

Hamas can /will stay, they are Palestinians yes ?

I agree LizzieDrip, when a person cannot see what is in plain sight there is nothing to be gained from pointing it out to them.
But right now increasing numbers of western governments and members of their populations, who supported the Israeli government to begin with, are becoming disgusted and distressed by what is happening in Gaza, and Israel - previously the darling of the west - is becoming a pariah state, isolated from all bar an erratic and volatile President in the US.
As Dylan once famously sang ‘the times they are a’changing’, and am certain that just as Hamas cannot ever come back from this neither can the reputation of Israel on the world stage.

Quote ronib Wed 27-Aug-25 09:11:31
Don’t forget to read Israel’s review of the IPC… in the interests of fairness and objectivity.

Fairness and objectivity?

ronib

This applies to you as well. LizzieDrip

You believe whatever you want ronib.

I won’t try to ‘get through to you’ - your comments on here show me that would be a futile exercise.

History, and a court of law, will one day judge the actions of the Israeli government. I hope it will be in my lifetime so I can observe.

Quote AGAA4 Wed 27-Aug-25 09:12:20
It is well documented that Ben-Gvir and Smotrich have been convicted of crimes. Both are key figures in the Knesset. Incitement to racism and incitement to violence are some of their crimes.
How will humanity be possible with these men and others directing this war?

Palestinian Hamas wants to kill all Jews , humanity ?

It is well documented that Ben-Gvir and Smotrich have been convicted of crimes. Both are key figures in the Knesset. Incitement to racism and incitement to violence are some of their crimes.
How will humanity be possible with these men and others directing this war?