Man made famine - the world should be ashamed

Aveline

I can understand why Eloethan responded the way s/he did. I think it needed saying.

There are better ways of saying it.

It was really quite rude.

Quote Eloethan Tue 26-Aug-25 15:49:25
anniebach You just keep parroting the same things and you have already demonstrated that you know nothing about the past and recent history of Palestine and Israel.

I recall, about eight years ago, you complaining bitterly about the treatment of Wales and Welsh people when under control of England - eg, amongst other injustices, forbidding Welsh people to speak in their own language. Terrible, of course, but you weren't evicted from your own homes and re-located, by force, to just a small part of Wales, and you didn't see the land that had been allocated to you forcibly taken by those who wanted even more land.

How anyone can find excuses for this terrible destruction and massacre of civilians, I just don't understand.

Gosh I must be grateful to England, hope you don’t expect me to cheer for it in the six nations Wales. Ireland. Scotland. France.Italy 👍

Aveline

I can understand why Eloethan responded the way s/he did. I think it needed saying.

Of course you do as it fits your own views.
It was a personal attack on a poster who just holds different views.

I can understand why Eloethan responded the way s/he did. I think it needed saying.

Anniebach Hamas started the war

Yes we all know what happened on 7 October 2023 and it would have been thought unreasonable to expect Israel to take that lying down.

But to embark on wholesale slaughter of innocent civilians of all ages including aid workers and journalists not to mention the destruction of buildings, the blocking of humanitarian aid and all the other blatant war crimes, is indefensible as we near the second anniversary of the attack by Hamas.

Can you not argue the points, Eloethan, instead of making personal attacks?

I hold Israel totally responsible. What can European countries do other than condemn the actions of Israel.

Going in physically would be the start of a world war.

anniebach You just keep parroting the same things and you have already demonstrated that you know nothing about the past and recent history of Palestine and Israel.

I recall, about eight years ago, you complaining bitterly about the treatment of Wales and Welsh people when under control of England - eg, amongst other injustices, forbidding Welsh people to speak in their own language. Terrible, of course, but you weren't evicted from your own homes and re-located, by force, to just a small part of Wales, and you didn't see the land that had been allocated to you forcibly taken by those who wanted even more land.

How anyone can find excuses for this terrible destruction and massacre of civilians, I just don't understand.

The Guardian reports that 193 journalists have been killed in Gaza since October 2023 in Israeli strikes.
At least 193 Palestinian journalists have been killed since 7 October 2023, according to the Committee to Protect Journalists (CPJ), more than the number who died globally in the previous three years.
Others have been wounded.
Some worked for Reuters, some other media outlets.

According to Al Jazeera
The attack raises the death toll of Palestinian journalists killed in Gaza since October 7, 2023 to at least 273, according to an Al Jazeera tally. which regards them as martyrs.

These people were and are certainly very brave.

“We hold the Israeli occupation, the American administration, and the countries participating in the genocide crime such as the United Kingdom, Germany, and France fully responsible for committing these heinous brutal crimes.”
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David49

There seems to be an inexhaustible supply of journalists working for Hamas in Gaza being sacrificed.

According to hamas!

ronib

No one is rejoicing in the deaths of journalists or civilians in this war. What I find difficult to understand is why more support is not being given to Israel to bring this war to a halt. I want Israel to win. For Hamas to continue in Gaza is unconscionable. Why is the West unable to say this?

The West are hypocrites that’s why.They want the end of any Islamist extremists as much as anyone, which is why they won’t lift a finger to help Gaza, so they stand on the sidelines saying
‘We don’t condone this’ when they really do.

Netanyahu's biggest mistake was thinking he could prevent a two state solution by playing the PA against Hamas, and enabling Hamas to become stronger so they could be a better balance. This is well documented, I have provided links to Netanyahu actually saying this to members of Likud on a number of occasions so I won't post it again. I am in no way defending Hamas but Netanyahu emboldened them and Israelis living in the Kibbutz close to Gaza, who in the main were not supporters of Netanyahu, paid a terrible price.

Quote AGAA4 Tue 26-Aug-25 11:31:31
Netanyahu will never beat Hamas or other groups that feel oppressed. Hamas finds glory in the death of a warrior. They will have fled by now to build up their organisation again.

Surely Israel should build up their defences that were woefully inadequate in the Hamas attack in 2023. They must have spent huge amounts and the lives of IDF soldiers lost.
The attack was dreadful but Israel failed to protect their people or come to their defence in time.

So fault lies with Israel, a country attacked is at fault for not protecting itself!

Quote foxie48 Tue 26-Aug-25 11:14:01
What is a "win"? At what point will Israel declare it's beaten Hamas? Netanyahu is very good at starting a war but he doesn't seem very good at ending it. For the religious extremists like Ben-Givr and Smotrich and their followers the only "win" will be the removal of all Palestinians from the West Bank and Gaza. A terrorist organisation like Hamas thrives on oppression and adversity and the more the Palestinian people are crushed with no hope of a future, the more likely it is that some will join a terrorist group. Netanyahu isn't stopping Hamas he is acting as their recruitment agent. It's utter madness!

Hamas started the war .

Netanyahu will never beat Hamas or other groups that feel oppressed. Hamas finds glory in the death of a warrior. They will have fled by now to build up their organisation again.

Surely Israel should build up their defences that were woefully inadequate in the Hamas attack in 2023. They must have spent huge amounts and the lives of IDF soldiers lost.
The attack was dreadful but Israel failed to protect their people or come to their defence in time.

What is a "win"? At what point will Israel declare it's beaten Hamas? Netanyahu is very good at starting a war but he doesn't seem very good at ending it. For the religious extremists like Ben-Givr and Smotrich and their followers the only "win" will be the removal of all Palestinians from the West Bank and Gaza. A terrorist organisation like Hamas thrives on oppression and adversity and the more the Palestinian people are crushed with no hope of a future, the more likely it is that some will join a terrorist group. Netanyahu isn't stopping Hamas he is acting as their recruitment agent. It's utter madness!

SYDNEY, Aug 26 (Reuters) - Australia accused Iran on Tuesday of executing two antisemitic arson attacks in the cities of Sydney and Melbourne and gave Tehran's ambassador seven days to leave the country, its first such expulsion since World War Two.
Since the Israel-Gaza war began in October 2023, Australian homes, schools, synagogues and vehicles have been targeted in antisemitic vandalism and arson, while Islamophobic incidents have surged.

I continue to be outraged by the massacre of innocent Biafrans. Didn’t help them did it?
I don’t think that Israel is deliberately starving civilians but the msm keeps repeating this and we believe what is fed to us. Hamas/Iran/Hezbelloh/Houthis are all fighting Israel - when are we going to step up and help?

Nobody supports Hamas but the world is not going to just stand by whilst genocide is committed.
If you find it hard to comprehend this imagine the fatalities in Gaza as cuddly white Christian’s or Jews, would you feel differently about so many deaths and now starvation if the people were non Muslim?
Certainly if Putin did this in the Ukraine the world would be outraged. And we are taking about Putin here. War crimes have been committed by him but what if those crimes were on a similar scale or vice versa if Zelensky was doing this to innocent Russians.
Why is what happens to Palestinians so different, this for me is the problem.

Quote Aveline Tue 26-Aug-25 09:31:12
Because we don't want Israel to win as all it wants to do is take over the whole of Palestine. There will never be peace there.

So let Hamas win and destroy Israel ?

Because we don't want Israel to win as all it wants to do is take over the whole of Palestine. There will never be peace there.

There seems to be an inexhaustible supply of journalists working for Hamas in Gaza being sacrificed.

Quote ronib Tue 26-Aug-25 09:25:40
No one is rejoicing in the deaths of journalists or civilians in this war. What I find difficult to understand is why more support is not being given to Israel to bring this war to a halt. I want Israel to win. For Hamas to continue in Gaza is unconscionable. Why is the West unable to say this?

Good question, seems the world supports Hamas

No one is rejoicing in the deaths of journalists or civilians in this war. What I find difficult to understand is why more support is not being given to Israel to bring this war to a halt. I want Israel to win. For Hamas to continue in Gaza is unconscionable. Why is the West unable to say this?

It appears that Israel is attempting to eradicate as many journalists as possible from Gaza city, ahead of their occupation of the city and the ethnic cleansing of inhabitants.

Keep it a secret from the world!