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Man made famine - the world should be ashamed

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Whitewavemark2 Fri 22-Aug-25 12:44:59

We sit by watching as children starve to death, their mothers’ cannot feed them and their fathers’ unable to provide them with food.

Every single calorie is controlled by one government.

Why are we allowing this situation to continue?

Babs03 Tue 26-Aug-25 09:16:08

theworriedwell

Why are people on here defending this when even Netanyahu is saying he regrets it. Are people really to the far right of Netanyahu?

This is the worry.

Babs03 Tue 26-Aug-25 09:13:11

Even in a war civilian lives have to be protected as far as possible, aid delivered, and safe routes away from any bombing assured. Hospitals and vehicles displaying hospital or aid signs on the roof should not be fired upon, neither should those clearly displaying the fact they are journalists.
The Israeli forces have state of the art weaponry and the very latest technical tools to differentiate between the enemy and civilians to the extent that armies around the would seek their expertise.
Mistakes can happen but can the Israeli army really be so grossly incompetent that all it really does is make fatal mistakes.

foxie48 Tue 26-Aug-25 09:06:37

It has been widely reported that Israeli military data says 83% (50K approx) of those killed in Gaza by the IDF were not Hamas operatives.

283 journalists killed in Gaza since 7/10, more than in any other war or conflict.

1400 medical workers killed in Gaza

All the above are supposed to be protected under the Geneva convention

Geneva convention rule 53 says starvation of civilians is a war crime.

If you support Israel's war in Gaza, at what point would it become impossible for your support to continue?

theworriedwell Tue 26-Aug-25 09:02:38

Why are people on here defending this when even Netanyahu is saying he regrets it. Are people really to the far right of Netanyahu?

theworriedwell Tue 26-Aug-25 08:57:55

Anniebach

There was a journalist on the roof filming

And that justified murdering 20 people.

AGAA4 Tue 26-Aug-25 08:52:11

ronib

I hope journalists don’t film troop movements from now on.

They filmed an attack not troop movements.

Anniebach Tue 26-Aug-25 08:51:01

There was a journalist on the roof filming

ronib Tue 26-Aug-25 08:47:08

I hope journalists don’t film troop movements from now on.

Babs03 Tue 26-Aug-25 08:46:53

ronib

It was thought that Hamas had placed a camera on the roof of the hospital and that Israeli troop movement was being filmed.

Of course they had.
And of course you believe that though I doubt you will believe the avalanche of reports to the contrary.
I remember when they bombed an aid convoy they said they thought a Hamas operative was by the side of the road.

AGAA4 Tue 26-Aug-25 08:41:11

ronib

It was thought that Hamas had placed a camera on the roof of the hospital and that Israeli troop movement was being filmed.

It was thought with no proof. Israel killed 20 people to possibly find one Hamas reporter.
So many have been killed by Israel looking for one Hamas member with no real proof that they were present.

ronib Tue 26-Aug-25 08:24:28

It was thought that Hamas had placed a camera on the roof of the hospital and that Israeli troop movement was being filmed.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 26-Aug-25 07:49:31

ronib

The hospitals are still being used to provide support for Hamas? Why else would Israel attack?

And the Geneva Convention relating to civilians?

Do we all ignore that now?

Do that and anarchy prevails, which the world will live to regret.

Israel’s behaviour is despicable

Anniebach Tue 26-Aug-25 07:20:43

Quote ronib Tue 26-Aug-25 06:51:40
The hospitals are still being used to provide support for Hamas? Why else would Israel attack?

No other reason for Israel to attack, they have always said why the war, Hamas wants to kill all Jews, Israel is the only Jewish State

Aveline Tue 26-Aug-25 07:02:43

I'm amazed you can't work that out!!

ronib Tue 26-Aug-25 06:51:40

The hospitals are still being used to provide support for Hamas? Why else would Israel attack?

theworriedwell Tue 26-Aug-25 06:36:23

Anniebach

At least 20 people, including five journalists working for the international media, have been killed in an Israeli double strike on Nasser hospital in Khan Yunis in southern Gaza, the territory's Hamas-run health ministry says.

The world takes Hamas as so reliable

Even Netanyahu is admitting this "mishap" happened. Is he reliable.

Anniebach Mon 25-Aug-25 22:12:09

At least 20 people, including five journalists working for the international media, have been killed in an Israeli double strike on Nasser hospital in Khan Yunis in southern Gaza, the territory's Hamas-run health ministry says.

The world takes Hamas as so reliable

foxie48 Mon 25-Aug-25 21:18:58

Ronib The podcast I listened to is American and hosted by Ira Glass who is Jewish and an award winning broadcaster. What I find strange is that people think they are being given Hamas propaganda when the information is coming from sources which are much more reliable and have much less to gain from being biased than the Israeli government.

valdavi Mon 25-Aug-25 20:03:10

The BBC never report on Gaza without giving the Israeli response. I have sat through lots of reports with the Israeli spokesperson just stonewalling when the BBC presenter asks questions, as they would of any interviewee.
The IDF would not normally be reporting on these issues, that is the government spokesperson's role. Just as in Ukraine, the government spokesperson reports, not the army commanders.
BBC cannot interview (& question) Hamas government officials as that would endanger their lives.

theworriedwell Mon 25-Aug-25 20:01:42

ronib

I have to ask why Hamas has been allowed to get away with dominating the narrative in their favour? Why is the West not recognising phenomenal bias and lies in reporting? More particularly in the Uk, where is accurate and truthful reporting? We seem to be sleepwalking into a very anti Israeli narrative.

Why don't they let independent journalists in if they have nothing to hide?

theworriedwell Mon 25-Aug-25 20:00:03

JohnnyMo

There are no independent journalists in Gaza. Hamas Propaganda or Israeli Propaganda, the truth lies somewhere between the two.

The BBC refuses to use any news reports controlled by the IDF as these are not independent but accept what is controlled by Hamas as valid.

Doesn't always work like that. Ever seen any Nazi propaganda of the excellent conditions in concentration camps, then stories coming out about the horrific conditions. What was found when allied troops liberated the camps? Was the truth somewhere between the two.

AGAA4 Mon 25-Aug-25 19:50:10

Israel is being condemned by so many I fail to see why, if they are as innocent of wrongdoing as some think, they don't allow foreign journalists into Gaza.
The answer is quite clear. I believe what they would find would shock us even more.

Anniebach Mon 25-Aug-25 19:39:12

Hamas are Palestinian

foxie48 Mon 25-Aug-25 19:33:43

The podcast is about the West Bank, not Gaza. Journalists have contacts there and are able to go there. Hamas are not based there it is governed by the Palestinian Authority.

ronib Mon 25-Aug-25 19:30:21

I have to ask why Hamas has been allowed to get away with dominating the narrative in their favour? Why is the West not recognising phenomenal bias and lies in reporting? More particularly in the Uk, where is accurate and truthful reporting? We seem to be sleepwalking into a very anti Israeli narrative.