Man made famine - the world should be ashamed

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Oreo

Smileless2012

Israel was a first world democracy but I don't think it can be considered to be one now Annie; 'If you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas'.

You’re full of Biblical quotes aren’t you?
I don’t think you have the first idea about Palestinians or Israelis come to that.
As a woman you’d be perfectly safe walking around in Israel, the same couldn’t have been said even before this war if you walked around in Gaza.

oreo unless you can provide concrete examples of your last post I will simply dismiss it as a racist trope.

I thought the remark saying even before the war women were not safe to walk around Gaza was borderline racist as well.

And yet travel advice says, 'Extremist Israeli settler violence occurs frequently and civilians have been targeted'

Of course Israel shouldn't have 'turned the other cheek' but that is no justification for committing war crimes.

Yes, the war wouldn't be happening but this isn't a war, this is genocide oreo.

It’s the whole reason for this war and it’s not quite over yet.
It’s wearing to hear the same old things about Gaza come to that.
What do you think Israel should have done? Turn the other cheek?!
All countries would have invaded with huge loss of life, it’s inevitable.

Not peculiar at all Oreo. It is brought up over and over again to try to justify the killing of 63000 Palestinians.
Not one poster has said they weren't deeply distressed by the atrocity but it's wearing having to repeat it every day.

Maremia

Is it the case that when posters run out of justication for the genocide in Gaza they bring up mention of the Atrocity?

What a deeply peculiar statement.
If they hadn’t invaded and murdered over a thousand Israelis and taken over two hundred hostages then the war in Gaza wouldn’t be happening.So of course it’s highly relevant.

How do you know Arab women are safe in the West Bank.? I don't think any Arab is safe there now with the land grabbing, violent Israelis taking over.

Many live and work in Isreal.

Maremia

Is an Arab woman safe to walk around in Israel, or in the West Bank?

Totally safe

Is it the case that when posters run out of justication for the genocide in Gaza they bring up mention of the Atrocity?

Is an Arab woman safe to walk around in Israel, or in the West Bank?

Has anyone denied that atrocities took place by Hamas. Bringing up one dreadful incident after another doesn't make what Israel is doing now any better.
This is no longer a war it is occupation by a brutal enemy who have killed over 63000 people. Many of those are small children who won't have any idea why they are being shot.

Oreo

Smileless2012

Israel was a first world democracy but I don't think it can be considered to be one now Annie; 'If you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas'.

You’re full of Biblical quotes aren’t you?
I don’t think you have the first idea about Palestinians or Israelis come to that.
As a woman you’d be perfectly safe walking around in Israel, the same couldn’t have been said even before this war if you walked around in Gaza.

oreo unless you can provide concrete examples of your last post I will simply dismiss it as a racist trope.

Whitewavemark2

I think of all the children and adult civilians that are dead, dying, starving or injured.

I think of the war crimes Israel has committed, I think of the lies it has told, I think of the violence melted out to Palestinians living on the West Bank, I think of the theft of land since 1948. I think of the corrupt leaders, I think of the terrorists in the Israeli cabinet.

I am on the side of the innocent which ever side they are on.

You sound pretty innocent yourself, and only see things from one side.
I agree that building by settlers should have stopped ages ago, I do see that side of things, but where Gaza is concerned they have brought all the misery down on their own heads.

Smileless2012

Israel was a first world democracy but I don't think it can be considered to be one now Annie; 'If you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas'.

You’re full of Biblical quotes aren’t you?
I don’t think you have the first idea about Palestinians or Israelis come to that.
As a woman you’d be perfectly safe walking around in Israel, the same couldn’t have been said even before this war if you walked around in Gaza.

I think of all the children and adult civilians that are dead, dying, starving or injured.

I think of the war crimes Israel has committed, I think of the lies it has told, I think of the violence melted out to Palestinians living on the West Bank, I think of the theft of land since 1948. I think of the corrupt leaders, I think of the terrorists in the Israeli cabinet.

I am on the side of the innocent which ever side they are on.

Babs03

Hamas is a terrorist group, Israel is a first world democracy, the former probably doesn’t follow international laws or prioritise humanitarian laws, the latter should do so even in a theatre of war or is sinking to the same level as Hamas. In which case we can accuse Israel if state sponsored terrorism.

Don’t forget that hamas were the government of hamas, terrorists or not, who made the warlike choice to invade another country and murder and rape and hostage take.
It’s a war and in any war people die and are injured.hamas members, thousands of them, are Palestinians and they had much support in Gaza, even when they displayed the dead naked body of a female soldier in the back of an open vehicle for fellow Gazans to spit at and jeer.People in Gaza danced about and fired guns in celebration ( like all Palestinians crazily do) and laughed at the great ‘hamas success’.
So all you Gaza supporters need to think on that.

If you read the definition of terrorism Israel is close, very close.
Hamas has no respect for human life.
Does Israel?
Hamas damaged property.
Israel has destroyed most of the homes and other buildings in Gaza.
Hamas terrified and killed children.
Israel has done the same.
Where is the difference now?

Israel was a first world democracy but I don't think it can be considered to be one now Annie; 'If you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas'.

Hamas is a terrorist group, Israel is a first world democracy, the former probably doesn’t follow international laws or prioritise humanitarian laws, the latter should do so even in a theatre of war or is sinking to the same level as Hamas. In which case we can accuse Israel if state sponsored terrorism.

Hamas does do, humanitarian law of any law

aided and abetted by the IDF

The first sentence of your final paragraph is just as relevant to what's happening on the West Bank Annie. Israel's land grabbing and driving Palestinians from their homes, aided and abetted is also a fundamental challenge to any idea of co-existence.

I defend Israel's right to defend itself but despite saying this must be done in line with international humanitarian law you continue to defend Israel which is clearly not acting with international humanitarian law and constantly refer to the horrors of the Holocaust as part of your defence.

Quote Smileless2012 Thu 28-Aug-25 13:41:39
No I'm not blind to the hate of some of the Palestinians and Hamas ronib, just as I'm not blind to the hate of Netanyahu, his government and some of his people towards the Palestinians not just in Gaza, but also on the West Bank.

I don't need a lesson on 'The Final Solution' Annie and I'm pretty sure that no one else does either. As far as what's happening in Gaza today is concerned it is irrelevant.

Not a lesson, just a reminder. - Parliament following Hamas attacking Israel

Israel was founded not just as a homeland for the Jewish people, but as a guarantor of their security, to ensure that what happened in the holocaust could never happen again. Through its strength and resilience, Israel Toggle showing location of Column 224gradually achieved some of that longed-for security, despite the strategic threats on its borders, including Hezbollah in the north with Iran at its back. Israel normalised relations with the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain through the Abraham accords, and moved towards normalising ties with Saudi Arabia—steps that were considered unthinkable not long ago.

One reason this attack is so shocking is that it is a fundamental challenge to any idea of co-existence, which is an essential precursor to peace and stability in the region. The question is: how should we respond? I believe that we must support absolutely Israel’s right to defend itself, to go after Hamas and take back the hostages, to deter further incursions, and to strengthen its security for the long term. That must be done in line with international humanitarian law, while recognising that Israel faces a vicious enemy who embed themselves behind civilians.