Angela Rayner - 3 homes now

Not her private life but her availability for her constituents - and, of course, it should go without saying that MPs financial affairs should be above reproach. That goes for all of them.
I doubt there are many who are!
They certainly clamp down on ordinary people.

A politician's private life is rarely private. A great deal is known about domestic arrangements because of security; rumours abound, but only when circumstances are suspicious. I believe super injunctions are in place concerning a leading politician, but of course that is only an unconfirmed rumour.
People weren't quite so particular when it concerned Boris Johnson, and happily listened to the illegally recorded row between him and his then girlfriend released on social media.
Angela Rayner's domestic arrangements have been somewhat unconventional but they are not of public concern unless there is suspicion of parliamentary privileges, denied to other people with two homes, being used to save or make money. as in avoidance of paying due tax.
This appears to be the case regarding the arrangement of her primary residence when in Stockport, and now something similar concerning primary residence in Ashton-under-Lyne, London or Hove.
All she needs to do is to state openly which is her primary residence and the payment thereof, something she seems strangely reluctant to do.
Hence the furore.

Quote eazybee Fri 29-Aug-25 16:32:42
A politician's private life is rarely private. A great deal is known about domestic arrangements because of security; rumours abound, but only when circumstances are suspicious. I believe super injunctions are in place concerning a leading politician, but of course that is only an unconfirmed rumour.

Mandelson being homosexual was suspicious, hence the right wing press referred to him as Mandy !

eazybee

A politician's private life is rarely private. A great deal is known about domestic arrangements because of security; rumours abound, but only when circumstances are suspicious. I believe super injunctions are in place concerning a leading politician, but of course that is only an unconfirmed rumour.
People weren't quite so particular when it concerned Boris Johnson, and happily listened to the illegally recorded row between him and his then girlfriend released on social media.
Angela Rayner's domestic arrangements have been somewhat unconventional but they are not of public concern unless there is suspicion of parliamentary privileges, denied to other people with two homes, being used to save or make money. as in avoidance of paying due tax.
This appears to be the case regarding the arrangement of her primary residence when in Stockport, and now something similar concerning primary residence in Ashton-under-Lyne, London or Hove.
All she needs to do is to state openly which is her primary residence and the payment thereof, something she seems strangely reluctant to do.
Hence the furore.

As long as she is acting within the law and fulfilling her duties to her constituents eazybee, she should not have to tell the public anything about her private life, where she lives, who lives in which houses, etc.etc..
If an MP is discovered to be breaking the law it should be reported to the Parliamentary ethics team or to the police depending on what it is, not plastered all over the papers before it is known if there is any case to answer.

Lathyrus3

Well I’ve been very critical of Angela Rayner but I have to say this is a master stroke of financial planning. Especially if she was bought out, not just handed half over.

Would she consider being Chancellor? Or give whoever advised her the job😬

Rather than a master stroke it is typical of what happens in most divorces, not unusual at all.

Jane43

Lathyrus3

Well I’ve been very critical of Angela Rayner but I have to say this is a master stroke of financial planning. Especially if she was bought out, not just handed half over.

Would she consider being Chancellor? Or give whoever advised her the job😬

Rather than a master stroke it is typical of what happens in most divorces, not unusual at all.

I didn’t even know she was divorced/getting divorced or whatever. I thought they’d just worked it out between them to avoid the extra stamp duty.

I’ll never be rich😬

What made you think that it was nefarious, Lathyrus? Lots of speculation online?

I had to look that up😳😬

I didn’t think it was criminal.

I thought it was clever. It would never have occurred to me. I would have just coughed up.

😂

Not criminal, but of dubious motive. You do seem to be suggesting that she is doing it to wriggle out of tax, rather than because the ownership of the property has changed for perfectly legitimate reasons. Why would you cough up for tax on a property you don’t own?

Saying she was ‘clever’ suggests that she is fiddling the system, and we don’t know that at all. If she is acting illegally she should resign, but as things stand the accusations are rumours, and if nothing underhand is going on they are libellous.

It seems it's just another nasty attack on someone who is acting legally but is a member of the government. Anyone remember when Nadim Zahadi the conservative chancellor of the exchequer tried to avoid paying £5 million tax. Tbh I didn't see that level of nastiness that I've seen in the media over AR.

Zahawi!

What counts as nasty? Dan Neidle pursued Zahawi relentlessly. Justifiably too. foxie48

Should add Dan Neidle, tax expert, also looked at the CGT due on the sale of Angela Rayner’s council house………..which hadn’t been declared….

Doodledog

Not criminal, but of dubious motive. You do seem to be suggesting that she is doing it to wriggle out of tax, rather than because the ownership of the property has changed for perfectly legitimate reasons. Why would you cough up for tax on a property you don’t own?

Saying she was ‘clever’ suggests that she is fiddling the system, and we don’t know that at all. If she is acting illegally she should resign, but as things stand the accusations are rumours, and if nothing underhand is going on they are libellous.

No really, you’ve totally misread me.

I had no idea they’d divorced. Actually I still don’t know that - only that someone on Gransnet sad they were. I thought they still lived together with the constituency house their joint residence.

When someone said he’d probably bought her out so she would have to pay the second home stamp tax, I genuinely thought of course that’s obvious - clever. I don’t see clever as a negative at all.

Now why I am perfect at ease with her doing this and was critical of her buying a second home, has to do with how wrong I think it is for communities to be destroyed by second home ownership and how I expected better from a Labour government.

Actually I’ve had a bit of an epiphany. I’ve given up on expecting principles from her ( and probably any politician- the hope has ended) now I think clever is probably better.

She’s actually risen in my estimation as being capable of sorting things out with a kind of personality that won’t witter and cave in.

Just a pity now that I can’t agree with most of her ideas.

Well that’s my thoughts with breakfast coffee. Hope that’s cleared up what I really think rather than what you think I think🙂

wouldn’t have to pay 😳

Ronib Google zahawi tax avoidance and see what comes up and compare with how AR 's currently being reported. If she's deliberately done anything illegal I'll happily condemn her hypocrisy.

According to Dan Neidle AR should have paid £1,500 in CGT. Okay nothing like £5million but there a principle involved. Do we remember principles?

ronib

Should add Dan Neidle, tax expert, also looked at the CGT due on the sale of Angela Rayner’s council house………..which hadn’t been declared….

He's not HER accountant, is he?

He doesn't have all her transactional details. Nor do we.

He doesn’t need to be her accountant - it’s easy enough for a tax expert at his level to access all the information. I believe he has posted details online. Norah

Ronib I'm not debating "principles" what I pointed out was the difference in how the media treats AR compared with NZ.

Doodledog

Not criminal, but of dubious motive. You do seem to be suggesting that she is doing it to wriggle out of tax, rather than because the ownership of the property has changed for perfectly legitimate reasons. Why would you cough up for tax on a property you don’t own?

Saying she was ‘clever’ suggests that she is fiddling the system, and we don’t know that at all. If she is acting illegally she should resign, but as things stand the accusations are rumours, and if nothing underhand is going on they are libellous.

Strange that she took her name off the deeds just before buying the seaside home tho.At the same time telling HMRC a different story.There will be an investigation I read.

A lot of the politicians do unethical things even if not illegal.

I am sick, sick, sick of the “great and the good” - , people in positions of power, who set themselves up to make decisions which affect ALL our lives and are found out to have their noses in the trough- think duck houses, off shore funds, camper vans, free designer clothes even specs, dodgy deals with Arabs/Chinese, fiddled expenses (often to family members bets to “keep it in the family”) now second /third homes.Who do they think they are?
I don’t care what their political persuasion, they all seem to be in it for what they can personally line their pockets with.

RosieandherMaw

I am sick, sick, sick of the “great and the good” - , people in positions of power, who set themselves up to make decisions which affect ALL our lives and are found out to have their noses in the trough- think duck houses, off shore funds, camper vans, free designer clothes even specs, dodgy deals with Arabs/Chinese, fiddled expenses (often to family members bets to “keep it in the family”) now second /third homes.Who do they think they are?
I don’t care what their political persuasion, they all seem to be in it for what they can personally line their pockets with.

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RosieandherMaw 👏👏👏