Angela Rayner - 3 homes now

eazybee

^Perfectly legal and what anyone with half a brain or decent tax advice would do.^

But not someone who is honest, OldFrill.

Avoidance or evasion?

Officially avoidance, but morally?

Did you know that Capital Gains Tax can be avoided if the property is given away to a spouse or civil partner? As applied to first house bought by AR? We can learn a trick or two from our Angela ….

eazybee

^Perfectly legal and what anyone with half a brain or decent tax advice would do.^

But not someone who is honest, OldFrill.

Avoidance or evasion?

One is illegal, the other immoral but embraced with relish.

Perfectly legal and what anyone with half a brain or decent tax advice would do.

But not someone who is honest, OldFrill.

Avoidance or evasion?

Well PN AI would disagree with you. In answer to the question "are they the same thing?" it comes up with this answer:

AI Overview
No, faulty analogy and affirming the consequent are not the same fallacies, though both are types of invalid reasoning. A faulty analogy relies on a weak or false comparison between two things to draw an unjustified conclusion, while affirming the consequent is a formal fallacy where a conclusion is drawn that the antecedent of a conditional statement is true simply because the consequent is true.

So maybe not big and not clever to try to use fancy phrases to put someone else down?

Mollygo

LizzieDrip

No, Mollygo, I’m answering the question you asked.

So that’s a reason for not objecting to the LP doing it. OK. Thanks for the clarification.

You use poor logic Mollygro. You are "affirming the consequent" (sometimes known as a faulty analogy).

You are, specifically, assuming that because two things share (what you believe to be) a common characteristic they are the same thing. You even infer that this is what LizzieDrip was suggesting although she pointed out that she was simply answering your question.

Not big and not clever, I'm afraid. But it is understandable when you see someone searching for proof that their anger is justified, when many don't agree.

karmalady

ronib

Perhaps people are quoting from the speech our Nigel gave wishing AR well in her new venture so long as AR paid all her taxes. MaizieDpoliticians!!

She has dodged £40000 stamp duty on her seaside apartment, said it was her main residence

Perfectly legal and what anyone with half a brain or decent tax advice would do.

ronib

Perhaps people are quoting from the speech our Nigel gave wishing AR well in her new venture so long as AR paid all her taxes. MaizieDpoliticians!!

She has dodged £40000 stamp duty on her seaside apartment, said it was her main residence

LizzieDrip

No, Mollygo, I’m answering the question you asked.

So that’s a reason for not objecting to the LP doing it. OK. Thanks for the clarification.

No, Mollygo, I’m answering the question you asked.

LizzieDrip

^Have they stood up and announced you shouldn’t do something, then done it themselves?^

Yes Mollygo!!!

The Tory government did that on many occasions.

Short memory🤔

I’m not denying that, but are you really using they did it first as justification for continuing to do it?

My family is of the view that the next Autumn Budget will severely reduce the ability to give any money to beneficiaries. We’re hoping to last longer than this government but there’s no guarantee….

Norah cross thread while typing.

Well it's all about the money and what to do with it.
Im fortunate not to be feeling the pinch, but it's getting to that time in life where if the government said I could sell up without any penalties, I would give the proceeds to our children. Most people are open to incentives if they feel they are getting something in return. I think someone on here said that Angela Rayner's child lives in her constituency home. I'm guessing she has their needs in mind for the future too.

Our Devon holiday home would probably sell to retirees and that in itself brings yet another problem to the area. There is a lot of resentment towards this group too.
I'm guessing Hove properties are more appealing to the middle aged well off professionals? Interesting all the different combinations of people, dwellings and locations which make up areas.

Doodledog

I see, thanks for replying.

What government initiatives could persuade you to give up your holiday home(s) if you don't mind saying?

Very severe increase in taxes. IHT on second homes. Higher capital gains tax. I'm sure you understand my meaning - impact on our financials.

I see, thanks for replying.

What government initiatives could persuade you to give up your holiday home(s) if you don't mind saying?

Doodledog

*I'm on this thread because I have personal experience of owning a holiday property or two, no prejudice at all where Angela Rayner is concerned.*
Where are/were your holiday homes? Forgive me if I've got this wrong, but are you suggesting it's ok for other areas to suffer, whilst wanting the sale of homes halted, curbed or put a stop to in Devon?

Not at all, that isn't my meaning. I said my personal experience has taught me about the problems in Devon because I both live here and have one of my holiday properties here. I wouldn't dream of commenting on other areas up country, apart from London, because I don't know what is happening there in the way of second homes destroying communities, though I am sure it is similar..

When I lived in Cornwall many years ago the problem was young people moving away. Not because they couldn’t afford to buy a house there but they wanted to live somewhere more urban. The locals tended to live in the holiday cottages in winter at very cheap rent and then did season work in summer. However this was in the seventies and things have probably changed. In Northumberland as many properties are owned by the local estates as much as second home owners. And that includes many of the shops, too.

I think it is changing, even in Devon escaped, with quite a property slump in second home sales. I suspect that a significant increase in council tax would push more people over the brink and they would sell up, because most people who have holiday homes aren’t in the super rich category and will be feeling the pinch. I googled Salcombe just to see, and apparently prices there have dropped by 22% this year.
It will be interesting to see if locals do move back if they have the chance to do so, or if prices will remain too high for them long term.

I'm on this thread because I have personal experience of owning a holiday property or two, no prejudice at all where Angela Rayner is concerned.
Where are/were your holiday homes? Forgive me if I've got this wrong, but are you suggesting it's ok for other areas to suffer, whilst wanting the sale of homes halted, curbed or put a stop to in Devon?

I can't work out where AR said she'd ban second homes.
She didn't say this. If someone on this thread has written that, then they're wrong.

It's a pity you're not in Devon Doodledog where we have the highest concentration of holiday homes across the land.
As stated earlier, government ministers/spokespersons often come to the area to see the problem for themselves. They appear on local tv and speak about the growing problems for local residents. The words used as promises to protect communities do most certainly use phrases like "curtail, put a stop to, prevent" the growth of the second home market here in the future. We hear this sort of thing often enough to have faith that something might happen up there in Westminster. It is a well-documented issue here, so if I really had the time, I'd find more examples to add. The situation has reached crazy proportions, seeing as we've had an increase of over 10% in second homes since 2021. I, for one, most certainly want to put a halt, end, curb (all words used by officials) to this happening for the future.

I'm on this thread because I have personal experience of owning a holiday property or two, no prejudice at all where Angela Rayner is concerned.

Doodledog

The implication has been that AR has said she would ban holiday homes. If not, where is the hypocrisy? I have asked for someone to show where she has said the government position is to prevent people from buying second homes, and nobody has done so.

I don't approve of second homes, but accept that it is AR's right to buy one, and can't see that it is hypocritical. I don't mean this personally, but I can see hypocrisy in people who do have second homes taking issue with AR having one.

Agreed. I can't work out where AR said she'd ban second homes.

We've owned various holiday homes for years, obviously we have no issue with second homes. In my opinion we buy homes others won't at a fair price, pay for maintenance and renovations.

Or perhaps they are making things up as they go along?

So called 'government policies' about 'putting a stop' to second homes, 'handouts', 'inverted snobbery', 'hiding behind false words', 'saying one thing and doing another' AR being 'gifted' the flat (!!) - all in the last couple of pages, none of it backed up. Prejudice, pure and simple, but if people hear this sort of thing often enough they come to believe it, which is the only reason I'm on this thread, which is going round in circles.

Perhaps people are quoting from the speech our Nigel gave wishing AR well in her new venture so long as AR paid all her taxes. MaizieDpoliticians!!