Angela Rayner - 3 homes now

Love that escaped.

We should all buy a second home to chill out and unwind from the daily grind.

Just not if we’re a government minister for housing,spouting a policy that is against that and saying that having second homes is depriving others of first homes.

Cossy

Storm in a teacup! Personally I don’t really care how many houses MPs have, so long as everyone else who needs housing has access to suitable housing

There you have it!!

I don't care if people, MPs, have second homes (unless they're left empty to rot of course) as long as they don't tell others it's wrong to do so.

As others have said, Ms Rayner owns a house in her constituency and has just bought a seaside flat. Probably 90% of MPs have done the same. Except for the ones who have a portfolio of houses that they either live in or rent out, they're the ones keeping their heads down. The third property that Ms Rayner uses is a ministerial property, a tied flat, linked to her portfolio. The RW media absolutely hate Angela Rayner, she's everything they hate, a single, teenage mum who's made good. They like women to keep in their lane. Ms Rayner is very assertive and very eloquent, two more marks against her. I, for one, am glad that she has done well and can be a role model for other young women who make a slip in their teenage years.

^ Please stop behaving as if your second property is a social service. Everybody who buys or acquires a property and rents it out for profit is potentially preventing someone else from buying a home of their own. The only way you would be doing some real good is if you are charging a social rent…^

Exactly what we do. We have to make a profit though in order to make improvements for our tenants which aren’t offset against profit or loss but may be deducted against Capital Gains if you sell. However the more regulations they make to improve properties then the harder it is to keep the rents down. We also let to people who don’t stand a chance of getting social housing but don’t want to be moving regularly. We fell into property through relatives dying and having been in dire housing circumstances, decided we want to make a difference. We still get looked upon as the devil’s spawn for being landlords though.

I have a great respect for Angela Raynor who has dragged herself up by her boot strings even if I don’t always agree with her politically. With young people and families facing high private rents because of all the holiday homes, I don’t think this is a good look for her politically. That said, to accuse her of having 3 homes is nonsense. Her grace and favour home could disappear in an instant if she gets voted out or falls out of favour with Starmer. She would need one of those homes she owns then!

I’m not a fan of AR or the Labour Party however I think this is a storm in a teacup!

Really they probably deserve it, all things considered. More than some of these hereditary rich people like kings,queens and princes. Provided they work hard that is.

have you asked how many houses the opposition and Reform lot have? Use ChatGPT, you'll be amazed.

a single, teenage mum who's made good. They like women to keep in their lane. Ms Rayner is very assertive and very eloquent, two more marks against her. I, for one, am glad that she has done well and can be a role model for other young women who make a slip in their teenage years.

What arrant nonsense.

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IOMGran

have you asked how many houses the opposition and Reform lot have? Use ChatGPT, you'll be amazed.

Isn’t Tice a multi millionaire? Who keeps his money in offshore accounts?

IOMGran

have you asked how many houses the opposition and Reform lot have? Use ChatGPT, you'll be amazed.

Does somebody else doing it make it OK for the subject on here to do it?
Have they stood up and announced you shouldn’t do something, then done it themselves?

Don't like the woman or her policies at all but she works for her money so is entitled to spend it as she wishes so long as the rest of the country aren't paying for any of it!

A very nasty non story.Compared with the perks, numerous homes etc enjoyed by BoJo and company,this is nothing.

Lathyrus3

Ha ha. I knew it would happen.

i newspaper quotes a “backbencher” ( no name given)

“I’m not sure our message is that people shouldn’t buy second homes, just that those who do should pay back their fair share to the list cal community.”

So second homes depriving local people of housing and destroying communities no longer the problem raised by Housing Ministers in Parliament a short while ago.

Gosh, the Government solved that one quickly didn’t they? Impressive 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

IMO (and obviously I am not speaking for the government - I'm not even a member of the LP) they are every bit as much of a problem for local people and yes, they absolutely do destroy communities.

Buying them is still perfectly legal, though, and (also IMO) it is extremely hypocritical for anyone who owns one to criticise AR, just as it is for anyone who criticises MPs who own them based on their party, rather than on principle.

As someone said upthread, many Tory MPs have second homes. Here is a list (with sources) of the ones who have declared theirs because they draw incomes from them (there is no need to declare those which are exclusively for their own use, so the actual list of those with second homes will be significantly longer):

Jeremy Hunt — Known to have multiple properties, including a second home in Surrey (claimed mortgage interest, etc.) and additional holiday properties like an Italy residence
The Guardian and The Telegraph

Robert Jenrick — Reportedly charged significant expenses (claimed up to six figures) for a constituency home, though during the COVID lockdown claimed his country house near Leominster was his primary residence
Reddit

Tom Tugendhat — Claimed around £2,400/month (£19,200 annually) in rent for a second home in London when away from his Kent constituency
Sky News

Michael Gove — Made a substantial profit from flipping second homes: claimed expenses on property in his Surrey constituency and sold at a profit
Mirror

Alan Duncan — Claimed parliamentary “second home allowance” while owning multiple London properties, including terraces in Westminster
The Telegraph

James Clappison — Owned a large property portfolio and claimed second-home expenses while owning those properties
The Telegraph

Douglas Hogg — Claimed a large amount (over £143,000) in second-home allowance while renting multiple London properties
The Telegraph

In addition, research from Transparency International (as of 2021 data) found that 43% of Conservative MPs and peers have declared interests in additional residential properties—though not all are necessarily second homes in the expense-claim sense
Transparency International UK

It may be that none of these people have spoken against second home ownership, but if that is a defence against it being hypocritical to criticise AR but nobody on the list, isn't that a perfect example of 'grading' hypocrisy?

Have they stood up and announced you shouldn’t do something, then done it themselves?

Yes Mollygo!!!

The Tory government did that on many occasions.

Short memory🤔

Grandmotherto8

As others have said, Ms Rayner owns a house in her constituency and has just bought a seaside flat. Probably 90% of MPs have done the same. Except for the ones who have a portfolio of houses that they either live in or rent out, they're the ones keeping their heads down. The third property that Ms Rayner uses is a ministerial property, a tied flat, linked to her portfolio. The RW media absolutely hate Angela Rayner, she's everything they hate, a single, teenage mum who's made good. They like women to keep in their lane. Ms Rayner is very assertive and very eloquent, two more marks against her. I, for one, am glad that she has done well and can be a role model for other young women who make a slip in their teenage years.

Agreed Grandmotherto8. Spot on!

Not arrant nonsense at all IMO, eazybee.

Annma

A very nasty non story.Compared with the perks, numerous homes etc enjoyed by BoJo and company,this is nothing.

Yes, but they didn't try to penalisexanyone else who dd the same.

It's quite amusing to watch the OP bring criticised for starting a thread about a Labour Minister, the Deputy PM, yet there were so many critical threads started about Boris Johnson et al when they were in Government.

It's what happens to members of the Government.
They get criticised.

And this present lot deserves to be criticised 🤬

She must be on a good wage and she did make it much more difficult for people in council houses to buy their homes since November 24 even though she benefited so much from buying hers Wouldn't mind so much if she had kept the discount the same for other people as she benefited from Shouldn't she be on the side of the low paid

Sometimes, when people make it to the safety of the castle, they pull up the drawbridge to stop others accessing the same, TakeThat7.

Have they stood up and announced you shouldn’t do something, then done it themselves?

Can you please point specifically to where Rayner said this either as recorded in Hansard or elsewhere? I'd like to see exactly what was said.

The issue of multiple homes, whether they are tenanted or kept as holiday homes, is whether the practice is causing considerable disadvantage to a body of other people, for example, people born in rural communities priced out of the market by holiday-home owners; people wanting to profit from buy-to-let snapping up all the entry-level properties such that first time buyers don’t get a look in and so on. Once upon a time, buying a small apartment was how many young people started out. Nowadays, any new development has a proliferation of To Let signs outside before the paint on the walls is dry.

The price allegedly paid by Rayner for the Brighton apartment, said to be over £700,000, would be out of reach of most people. The average property value in the UK is £291,000, Brighton has a large commuter population. I wager the people she competed with to buy the property were probably commuters with well-paid jobs in the City.

Search on RightMove for properties in a five mile radius of Brighton between £500,000 and £800,000 and it returns 42 pages of results. Hardly a shortage of properties for sale.

Politicians know their time in high office may be short. If the Labour critics are right, the current Goverment will be out of power in 2029. A Cabinet reshuffle anytime would see Rayner lose the use of the grace and favour apartment. Meantime, she has a right to use her income to buy somewhere to spend what I imagine is very little spare time in privacy. To my knowledge, she hasn’t introduced any legislation that stops people from buying second homes.

ONS stats. In 2021, 3.2 million (5.3%) usual residents in England and Wales reported that they had a second address where they spend 30 days or more a year. 3.2 million people.

This number increased from 2.9 million (5.2%) in 2011.

In 2011, the peak age for owning a holiday home was 64 years. In 2021 this was 73 years, suggesting that people approachng retirement age who already owned a holiday home in 2011 still owned it ten years years later.

I find it ironic that a forum which caters for the very demographic which is more likely to own a holiday home than any other age group is critical of someone owning a holiday home.

I’d like to see a Venn diagram showing where people's political allegiances and those criticising Rayner for this action coincide.

I agree this is storm in teacup. I smell Richard Holden at work; the MP behind the Beergate allegations; the MP (with James Daly) behind all the fuss over her council house and CGT.

Daly lost his seat in 2024. Holden was parachuted into Tory stronghold Basildon and Billericay and scraped home in by just 20 votes losing a majority of over 28,000. Not a popular man whose raison d’etre appears to be digging dirt on Rayner. No surprise that he’s in a relationship with Kate Ferguson, political editor for The Sun.

Thanks for your research Nougat. The original post was small-minded, mean-spirited and a non-story.

I'm no fan of Angela Rayner but really don't see anything wrong with this. The property in London is an official residence, so not hers. She needs somewhere to stay in her constituencey and why shouldn't she have a home elsewhere?

Nougat

^Have they stood up and announced you shouldn’t do something, then done it themselves?^

Can you please point specifically to where Rayner said this either as recorded in Hansard or elsewhere? I'd like to see exactly what was said.

The issue of multiple homes, whether they are tenanted or kept as holiday homes, is whether the practice is causing considerable disadvantage to a body of other people, for example, people born in rural communities priced out of the market by holiday-home owners; people wanting to profit from buy-to-let snapping up all the entry-level properties such that first time buyers don’t get a look in and so on. Once upon a time, buying a small apartment was how many young people started out. Nowadays, any new development has a proliferation of To Let signs outside before the paint on the walls is dry.

The price allegedly paid by Rayner for the Brighton apartment, said to be over £700,000, would be out of reach of most people. The average property value in the UK is £291,000, Brighton has a large commuter population. I wager the people she competed with to buy the property were probably commuters with well-paid jobs in the City.

Search on RightMove for properties in a five mile radius of Brighton between £500,000 and £800,000 and it returns 42 pages of results. Hardly a shortage of properties for sale.

Politicians know their time in high office may be short. If the Labour critics are right, the current Goverment will be out of power in 2029. A Cabinet reshuffle anytime would see Rayner lose the use of the grace and favour apartment. Meantime, she has a right to use her income to buy somewhere to spend what I imagine is very little spare time in privacy. To my knowledge, she hasn’t introduced any legislation that stops people from buying second homes.

ONS stats. In 2021, 3.2 million (5.3%) usual residents in England and Wales reported that they had a second address where they spend 30 days or more a year. 3.2 million people.

This number increased from 2.9 million (5.2%) in 2011.

In 2011, the peak age for owning a holiday home was 64 years. In 2021 this was 73 years, suggesting that people approachng retirement age who already owned a holiday home in 2011 still owned it ten years years later.

I find it ironic that a forum which caters for the very demographic which is more likely to own a holiday home than any other age group is critical of someone owning a holiday home.

I’d like to see a Venn diagram showing where people's political allegiances and those criticising Rayner for this action coincide.

I agree this is storm in teacup. I smell Richard Holden at work; the MP behind the Beergate allegations; the MP (with James Daly) behind all the fuss over her council house and CGT.

Daly lost his seat in 2024. Holden was parachuted into Tory stronghold Basildon and Billericay and scraped home in by just 20 votes losing a majority of over 28,000. Not a popular man whose raison d’etre appears to be digging dirt on Rayner. No surprise that he’s in a relationship with Kate Ferguson, political editor for The Sun.

Excellent post Nougat👏👏👏

You are correct in the assumption that many posters on GN own more than one property, yet are critical of AR doing the same e.g. the OP.

Of course, the vitriol towards Angela Rayner on GN is legendary!

Working class, northern woman (teenage single mother😱) getting above her station🤔

The price allegedly paid by Rayner for the Brighton apartment, said to be over £700,000, would be out of reach of most people.

It's Hove, not Brighton.

From the outside, it looks the same as the flat I stayed in as a child where my Aunt lived; an apartment in an old terrace of large houses. Hers was part of her job remuneration, so it was probably worth very little in those days.
I doubt that prices were anything like £700,000 for somewhere like that until fairly recently and I doubt many local people could afford an apartment like that. Many have been priced out of the housing market by rich Londoners buying second homes there.

You are correct in the assumption that many posters on GN own more than one property, yet are critical of AR doing the same.

On the contrary, I can go one better. My dear uncle was Health Secretary and Foreign Secretary in a Labour government. He had a holiday home built in Greece! Perhaps AR will be looking overseas for her next purchase, at least it's warmer than here. 🌞