“Migrants are more important than residents" A statement that the Labour party will live to regret?

Oreo

StripeyGran

I have never been on any kind of protest in my life but then neither had most of the Pink Ladies (from what they said on TV) they just felt this was something they had to do to keep their children and the rest of the community safe

No they felt they had to get together with their mates and hurl abuse at people they know nothing about.

Children need to be safe, that's why we have the police, safeguarding and so on.

Where were police and safeguarding when this man continually bothered 14 year old girls in the town centre?
What you say about the mothers is just pure unpleasantness.

Where they? Doing the best they can with limited time and rescources I expect.

The best strategy to defeat Reform is for Labour with Tory support to resolve the immigration issue.

Yes, I agree, but will they?
This is a Europe-wide problem and politicians are working to try to solve this, so why are ours in the UK wasting years fighting instead of working together on a strategy?

Some of us may not want to defeat Reform

Grantanow

We should move on, The best strategy to defeat Reform is for Labour with Tory support to resolve the immigration issue. That would destroy Farage's main line of attack and return us to the usual two Party competition. Badenoch and the Tories are foolish to follow Farage down the nationalism rabbit hole: its not possible to get ahead of him and it results Right voters leaving to join Reform and Left voters to join the LibDems. Badenoch should stop attacking Starmer on immigration and be constructive. Labour needs to get a grip on immigration and ignore the Left: waving placards saying 'Refugees welcome here' may be comforting ideology but it's obviously unsustainable. Starmer's success is the Tories' success if they could but see it.

Everything in that post makes sense to me.

Good analysis of the situation Grantanow

We should move on, The best strategy to defeat Reform is for Labour with Tory support to resolve the immigration issue. That would destroy Farage's main line of attack and return us to the usual two Party competition. Badenoch and the Tories are foolish to follow Farage down the nationalism rabbit hole: its not possible to get ahead of him and it results Right voters leaving to join Reform and Left voters to join the LibDems. Badenoch should stop attacking Starmer on immigration and be constructive. Labour needs to get a grip on immigration and ignore the Left: waving placards saying 'Refugees welcome here' may be comforting ideology but it's obviously unsustainable. Starmer's success is the Tories' success if they could but see it.

Ah.

fancythat

^ fines for taking children out of school…^

That gives people criminal records?

If they get as far as court proceedings.

fancythat

growstuff

fancythat

I personally take a very dim view of anyone, on social media or in real life, who thinks that should be so, and argues thus. With whatever "clever" words they think they can find.

I will convey this valuable opinion to HMG's trolling department.

Sounds like a threat from an ex Goverment Official.

Or am I overreacting?

^ fines for taking children out of school…^

That gives people criminal records?

growstuff

fancythat

I personally take a very dim view of anyone, on social media or in real life, who thinks that should be so, and argues thus. With whatever "clever" words they think they can find.

I will convey this valuable opinion to HMG's trolling department.

Sounds like a threat from an ex Goverment Official.

growstuff

Allira

My friend does a number of activities with asylum seekers, including carpentry and wood-turning

I don't doubt it. Which means that they could, under supervision, renovate and update some out-dated military quarters to make decent housing for them and others.

It just seems a sensible solution to the accommodation crisis.

I agree with you. They also have a small allotment, so they can even produce some of their own food. The point I was making was that the asylum seekers are not unskilled. I've met some of them. Some of them speak English quite well. They're polite and eager to be doing something.

That's good. Better than being bored stiff while they wait far too long for a decision.
The process is so slow.

Reminds of the saying

There are lies, damn lies and statistics

Parking violations, speeding tickets, fines for taking children out of school…

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sundowngirl

Stripeygran - "No they felt they had to get together with their mates and hurl abuse at people they know nothing about."

Isn't that just the point?? They came here illegally, have not been checked and therefore we know absolutely nothing about them. We do know that they many have a different culture where men do not respect women and we know that one has already been charged

It's not acceptable to hurl abuse at people you don't know. It's likely that there are some bad apples (as there in any group), but there are also many good people. Quite frankly, it makes one just as bad (maybe worse) than the people being abused. Over 40% of the people charged in the riots last year has a record for domestic abuse, so don't try claiming that everybody involved cares about women and children.

Did you know that approximately 1 in 4 adults in the UK (rising to 1 in 3 for working-age males) has a criminal record of some sort? That wouldn't excuse abusing every person - or even every male - in the country.

Did you know that approximately 1 in 4 adults in the UK (rising to 1 in 3 for working-age males) has a criminal record of some sort?

Goodness me! That must include a lot of Gransnetters!

Now, which of you have secrets to hide? 🤔

Of course, a traffic violation would be included in those statistics, for instance, a few of normally terribly law-abiding friends who turned on to a road with a new lower speed restriction, but where no 20 mph sign was visible and got caught and fined doing 24 or 25 mph.

fancythat

I personally take a very dim view of anyone, on social media or in real life, who thinks that should be so, and argues thus. With whatever "clever" words they think they can find.

I will convey this valuable opinion to HMG's trolling department.

sundowngirl

Stripeygran - "No they felt they had to get together with their mates and hurl abuse at people they know nothing about."

Isn't that just the point?? They came here illegally, have not been checked and therefore we know absolutely nothing about them. We do know that they many have a different culture where men do not respect women and we know that one has already been charged

It's not acceptable to hurl abuse at people you don't know. It's likely that there are some bad apples (as there in any group), but there are also many good people. Quite frankly, it makes one just as bad (maybe worse) than the people being abused. Over 40% of the people charged in the riots last year has a record for domestic abuse, so don't try claiming that everybody involved cares about women and children.

Did you know that approximately 1 in 4 adults in the UK (rising to 1 in 3 for working-age males) has a criminal record of some sort? That wouldn't excuse abusing every person - or even every male - in the country.

Stripeygran - "No they felt they had to get together with their mates and hurl abuse at people they know nothing about."

Isn't that just the point?? They came here illegally, have not been checked and therefore we know absolutely nothing about them. We do know that they many have a different culture where men do not respect women and we know that one has already been charged

I personally take a very dim view of anyone, on social media or in real life, who thinks that should be so, and argues thus. With whatever "clever" words they think they can find.

Oreo

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Oreo

The government going against the Council, and of course the residents will be remembered at the next GE.
And on a practical note it would have been far better to move the asylum seekers from this hotel from anyone’s perspective.

The outcome of future elections must never be allowed to influence the outcome of legal proceedings. Anybody who thinks that obviously doesn't have much respect for the institutions of the country.

Of course it shouldn’t and I didn’t say that.
It’s just a simple fact that there will be less votes for Labour now as a result of this fiasco.Along with all their other disastrous decisions.

Not to mention &any& MPs or government officals in any capacity, wanting migrants who came here illegally to have their rights put above local residents.

StripeyGran

*I have never been on any kind of protest in my life but then neither had most of the Pink Ladies (from what they said on TV) they just felt this was something they had to do to keep their children and the rest of the community safe*

No they felt they had to get together with their mates and hurl abuse at people they know nothing about.

Children need to be safe, that's why we have the police, safeguarding and so on.

Where were police and safeguarding when this man continually bothered 14 year old girls in the town centre?
What you say about the mothers is just pure unpleasantness.

growstuff

Oreo

The government going against the Council, and of course the residents will be remembered at the next GE.
And on a practical note it would have been far better to move the asylum seekers from this hotel from anyone’s perspective.

The outcome of future elections must never be allowed to influence the outcome of legal proceedings. Anybody who thinks that obviously doesn't have much respect for the institutions of the country.

Of course it shouldn’t and I didn’t say that.
It’s just a simple fact that there will be less votes for Labour now as a result of this fiasco.Along with all their other disastrous decisions.

I have never been on any kind of protest in my life but then neither had most of the Pink Ladies (from what they said on TV) they just felt this was something they had to do to keep their children and the rest of the community safe

No they felt they had to get together with their mates and hurl abuse at people they know nothing about.

Children need to be safe, that's why we have the police, safeguarding and so on.

growstuff

There is no law which states people who shout loudest and are disruptive are the winners.

The appeal case hung on the application of planning laws and it's quite clear that the council didn't do itself any favours by not following the correct procedure more than once.

It worked for the suffrage movement…

There is no law which states people who shout loudest and are disruptive are the winners.

The appeal case hung on the application of planning laws and it's quite clear that the council didn't do itself any favours by not following the correct procedure more than once.

Bridget Phillipson was interviewed by Trevor Phillips (Sky news yesterday morning).

Asked if she agreed with the Governments lawyer’s implication that migrants rights overruled the residents of Epping, she agreed with the statement…