“Migrants are more important than residents" A statement that the Labour party will live to regret?

The truth is, and figures are not needed to show this, that concern in Epping is at an all-time high. I think I said before that it would be better for everyone concerned for the migrants to be moved out. It would relieve the tension felt, but of course, this would set a difficult precedent.
The Bell Hotel is not much more than an easy 10 minute walk from the town, certainly for a fit young person. Even the Assistant Chief Constable has acknowledged that the strength of feeling in Epping about the hotel is not lost on him. At least he understands the significant impact that the situation is having on people. There is little wonder that Epping residents feel angry or scared.

fancythat

^It is clear from that para that the Home Secretary argued in written submissions that ‘the relevant public interests in play are not equal’ and her duty under the ECHR towards the ‘asylum seekers’ was of greater importance or significance than the government’s duty to ensure the safety of the residents of Epping.^

You are saying that this is not true?

It is not true that the Home Office or the courts used the words claimed. Absolutely not true - and that's what I've been saying on this thread.

It is true that Kemi Badenoch used the words which have been quoted by the Telegraph, the DM and some other media. However, when the have been repeated, it has not been made clear who said the words and that they are a secondary interpretation of what was said in court. What I've just written is true.

It is not bullying to state the truth.

Allira

www.europol.europa.eu/crime-areas/migrant-smuggling

www.nationalcrimeagency.gov.uk/what-we-do/crime-threats/organised-immigration-crime

These are just a couple of links out of several, perhaps they will be of interest.
This is an enormous problem blighting our society.

I am going out now so won't be able to respond but I'm sure there is plenty more to be found online.

The National Crime Agency has been given extra funding and been told to allocate 300 extra staff to tackling migrant smuggling. Organised crime is often interconnected. For example, smuggling funds drugs and arms and vice versa.

Not for the faint hearted, but this is an interesting watch for anybody who wants to find out what the NCA does:

www.channel4.com/programmes/operation-dark-phone-murder-by-text

Primrose53

MaizieD

I have asked many times “ what possible benefits can unskilled, often uneducated, single young men who have no documents to prove who they are, bring to our country?”

Indeed you may have, but what proof do you have that what you are claiming is correct?

I am asking a genuine question but failing to get an answer yet again. Why bother answering with another question?

My question is 100% correct.

How can a question be correct or not?

What is disputed is your assumption that asylum seekers are necessarily unskilled and uneducated. On the contrary, many of them have shown great resilience, strength and ingenuity to travel thousands of miles, often in dangerous circumstances. They're a self-selected group.

Primrose53

fancythat

What is OCG please?

organised Crime group.

If you follow my links posted above, fancythat, they might explain more about Organised Crime Groups.

fancythat

What is OCG please?

organised Crime group.

Casdon

Teazel2

Boz

There are posters, the minute FGT shows, are on the defensive and start heavily kicking. This is unfair, as the lady has great courage and only says what many think but are silent in the face of such people. Always the same names.

👏👏👏👏👏👏

The thing is though, and this goes for every poster, if you make a post that is factually inaccurate, or controversial, you will be challenged. It’s not a personal slight in 99% of cases, the responses are about the post, not the person. If somebody is rude or disrespectful to another poster, that is definitely not acceptable and whatever we think about the people involved we should all stand against that.

“Never fail do you FGT”. This was the first response on this thread. Sounds like a personal attack to me

Casdon

Teazel2

Boz

There are posters, the minute FGT shows, are on the defensive and start heavily kicking. This is unfair, as the lady has great courage and only says what many think but are silent in the face of such people. Always the same names.

👏👏👏👏👏👏

The thing is though, and this goes for every poster, if you make a post that is factually inaccurate, or controversial, you will be challenged. It’s not a personal slight in 99% of cases, the responses are about the post, not the person. If somebody is rude or disrespectful to another poster, that is definitely not acceptable and whatever we think about the people involved we should all stand against that.

Casdon, yes, dispute the post, don't attack the poster!
However, FGT2 only just has to peep above the parapet and the personal attacks begin immediately.

Perhaps those attacking the poster, not the post, don't have a counter-argument!

www.europol.europa.eu/crime-areas/migrant-smuggling

www.nationalcrimeagency.gov.uk/what-we-do/crime-threats/organised-immigration-crime

These are just a couple of links out of several, perhaps they will be of interest.
This is an enormous problem blighting our society.

I am going out now so won't be able to respond but I'm sure there is plenty more to be found online.

Teazel2

Boz

There are posters, the minute FGT shows, are on the defensive and start heavily kicking. This is unfair, as the lady has great courage and only says what many think but are silent in the face of such people. Always the same names.

👏👏👏👏👏👏

The thing is though, and this goes for every poster, if you make a post that is factually inaccurate, or controversial, you will be challenged. It’s not a personal slight in 99% of cases, the responses are about the post, not the person. If somebody is rude or disrespectful to another poster, that is definitely not acceptable and whatever we think about the people involved we should all stand against that.

What is OCG please?

Boz

There are posters, the minute FGT shows, are on the defensive and start heavily kicking. This is unfair, as the lady has great courage and only says what many think but are silent in the face of such people. Always the same names.

👏👏👏👏👏👏

Nano14

LizzieDrip

The country is not ‘being flooded’, despite what the media, Tories and Reform would have you believe.

Those seeking asylum via ‘irregular’ routes (because there are no ‘regular’ routes) make up a tiny minority of the immigrants in this, upon whom we depend.

Thank God for the Human Rights lawyers who tried to maintain the dignity of this country by supporting those fleeing war and oppression. We used to be a country that offered sanctuary to those in need.

I realise my view is unpopular on GN - I’m fine with that.

I support your view. Its a shame that so many are taken in by Reform's and the far right rhetoric. Farage is a good speaker, as was Hitler, who convinced the Germans that the country's problems were being caused by the Jewish population. We all know what that led to!

LizzieDrip

Posters are not stupid, even if you may think they are.

We do know the difference between legal and illegal immigration, people who are welcomed here and arrive by the proper channels, work hard and contribute to society.
We also know there are asylum seekers fleeing persecution but amongst them are others who have destroyed their papers for whatever reason and others who are brought here to work in illegal industries, for OCG, who are thriving here and causing misery to many young people with their activities.

Sorry - I cross posted with Allira and forgot to quote woodenspoon's post above hers, as I am rather upset.

Who are these people?

What I can see on this page alone are attempts at bullying anyone who does not agree with the OP on this matter into submission and/or silence. If people want to make a point about other posters, why not address them personally instead of using the passive aggressive 'some posters' strategy?

I have questioned some of the rhetoric. Does that make me a bully? Am I one of the 'same old' people who are' laughable' and whose people don't bother to read? If so, I'd rather know, and if not, I'd quite like to know that, too, as it has come across that way, and the implications are rather upsetting. I thought this was somewhere to discuss and debate, but it seems not these days.

Britain is a tolerant and compassionate country. We have a proud tradition of welcoming people fleeing persecution and abuse. Schemes like Homes for Ukraine, Hong Kong humanitarian visas, and the Syrian resettlement programme have provided important routes for refugees seeking sanctuary. But the system needs to be controlled and managed and we need strong borders. The small boats crisis, fuelled by dangerous criminal smuggler gangs, is undermining our security and costing lives.

Rather than a serious plan to confront this crisis, the Conservatives have offered nothing but desperate gimmicks. Their flagship policy – to fly a tiny number of asylum seekers to Rwanda – has already cost hundreds of millions of pounds. Even if it got off the ground, this scheme can only address fewer than one per cent of the asylum seekers arriving. It cannot work. Chaos in the Channel has been matched by chaos at home. The Conservatives’ unworkable laws have created a ‘perma-backlog’ of tens of thousands of asylum seekers, who are indefinitely staying in hotels costing the taxpayer millions of pounds every week.

Labour will stop the chaos and go after the criminal gangs who trade in driving this crisis. We will create a new Border Security Command, with hundreds of new investigators, intelligence officers, and cross-border police officers. This will be funded by ending the wasteful Migration and Economic Development partnership with Rwanda. This new Command will work internationally and be supported by new counter-terrorism style powers, to pursue, disrupt, and arrest those responsible for the vile trade. We will seek a new security agreement with the EU to ensure access to real-time intelligence and enable our policing teams to lead joint investigations with their European counterparts.

Labour will turn the page and restore order to the asylum system so that it operates swiftly, firmly, and fairly; and the rules are properly enforced. We will hire additional caseworkers to clear the Conservatives’ backlog and end asylum hotels, saving the taxpayer billions of pounds.

Labour will set up a new returns and enforcement unit, with an additional 1,000 staff, to fast-track removals to safe countries for people who do not have the right to stay here. We will negotiate additional returns arrangements to speed up returns and increase the number of safe countries that failed asylum seekers can swiftly be sent back to. And we will also act upstream, working with international partners to address the humanitarian crises which lead people to flee their homes, and to strengthen support for refugees in their home region.

Labour Party Manifesto
This is what people voted for, as the Tories had failed to get a grip on illegal immigration and people in small boats arriving here. Almost 14 months later and nothing has improved.

Boz

There are posters, the minute FGT shows, are on the defensive and start heavily kicking. This is unfair, as the lady has great courage and only says what many think but are silent in the face of such people. Always the same names.

Yes the same old bullies but never with an answer. Just jargon, vehemence in shouting down others. They really think they’re right and in the majority. It’s laughable.

LizzieDrip

The country is not ‘being flooded’, despite what the media, Tories and Reform would have you believe.

Those seeking asylum via ‘irregular’ routes (because there are no ‘regular’ routes) make up a tiny minority of the immigrants in this, upon whom we depend.

Thank God for the Human Rights lawyers who tried to maintain the dignity of this country by supporting those fleeing war and oppression. We used to be a country that offered sanctuary to those in need.

I realise my view is unpopular on GN - I’m fine with that.

I support your view. Its a shame that so many are taken in by Reform's and the far right rhetoric. Farage is a good speaker, as was Hitler, who convinced the Germans that the country's problems were being caused by the Jewish population. We all know what that led to!

MaizieD

^I have asked many times “ what possible benefits can unskilled, often uneducated, single young men who have no documents to prove who they are, bring to our country?”^

Indeed you may have, but what proof do you have that what you are claiming is correct?

I am asking a genuine question but failing to get an answer yet again. Why bother answering with another question?

My question is 100% correct.

Boz

There are posters, the minute FGT shows, are on the defensive and start heavily kicking. This is unfair, as the lady has great courage and only says what many think but are silent in the face of such people. Always the same names.

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
So I have noticed

Boz

There are posters, the minute FGT shows, are on the defensive and start heavily kicking. This is unfair, as the lady has great courage and only says what many think but are silent in the face of such people. Always the same names.

It’s unfair and it’s also bullying behaviour Boz.

Same old, same old names. I don’t even bother reading as soon as the names pop up now.

FGT is always open and honest and her posts are really worth reading.

There are posters, the minute FGT shows, are on the defensive and start heavily kicking. This is unfair, as the lady has great courage and only says what many think but are silent in the face of such people. Always the same names.

fancythat

So FGT2 is correct in everything she has written?

I certainly think so.

woodenspoon

Regarding the barge at Dorset, they use these in the Netherlands unopposed.

Of course they do, it’s a country with a lot of common sense.

So FGT2 is correct in everything she has written?