Angela Rayner

Dd she tell the original advsor she had another home. If she didn't then that would be fraud

Petef

At least she seems to have remembered she had a flat in Hove. Jeremy Hunt forgot all about the SEVEN he owned! Still, as people have said, she is the Housing Minister...almost as bad, you'd think, as the Tory Chancellor of the Exchequer "overlooking" that he owed HMRC the thick end of £5 million.

They’re all as bad as each other in my opinion and they all regret their “mistake” or “error” once they are found out.

I have a hunch that she will be pushed into resigning by this time tomorrow because no way will KS sack her because he spoke so highly of her yesterday.

Jam108

Why hasnt she started proceedings to sue the law firm who allegedly gave her ‘unsound’ advice?

Do you know that she hasn’t? You seem to be being very careful with ‘allegedly’ and speech marks around ‘unsound’, but unless you have inside information you are still making accusations without evidence.

Do tax advisors have liability insurance in case they give erroneous advice? If so, she might be able to make a claim.

mum2three

I watched the interview and it seems she was wrongly advised. If this is the case, then shouldn't her advisor be brought to account?

It only seems that she was badly advised by her own words.At the moment we don’t know if that was true or not.
Surely the firm employing whoever advised her will want to clear their name.
There are only three things which could have happened.
1. AR put the full matter before her advisor and he/she gave completely the wrong advice.
2. AR muddled up the facts of the matter and so the advisor didn’t have the full facts when they made a decision.
3.AR just did the wrong thing.

Sorry,don't actually care! Her mess,her problem

eazybee

^Would you expect the Secretary of State for Health to know everything about running a hospital, a care home, could he do an operation to remove a gall bladder or remove cataracts? Would you be happy if he turned up in your GP surgery to do a few hours of work?^

I would expect the Secretary of State for Anything to have immediate access to information concerning a particular enterprise he/she was involved in, particularly if it was personal, to check no misinformation was applied. Far easier for a S of S to gain top quality information than someone relying on the internet, the press or unknown professionals^

Doing a few hours work in a GP's surgery is not comparable at all; training and qualifications are needed and we all know AR has virtually none.
She has made some bad judgements in her life, one of which, I believe, is responsible for the mess she is in now. Bearing in mind the threat of libel/slander I shall not elaborate.

As for Non-Disclosure Agreements, there are ongoing concerns about the lack of transparency in procedures in family courts.

eazybee I agree. We all know how these things work. You go to somebody more knowledgeable than yourself(in this case KS) and they say “this is not my area of expertise but speak to XYZ who is and I highly recommend him.”

As I keep saying she is Deputy PM and Housing Secretary so she’s right at the top and if she can’t source the highest level of expert help then what chance do the rest of us have?

I said on here yesterday that when we did our Trust we went to a solicitor to do that plus our Wills. When we explained about the Trust she said she was not expert in that field so recommended someone in another practice who was an expert and who she had worked with in the past. I thought that was very honest of her and she charged us nothing.

That trust money which was purloined would perhaps have been better spent on courses and equipment for the 17 year old boy. I expect the trustees will dig deep to find out if the money was mis-used in giving him an extra 25% stake in his home

At least she seems to have remembered she had a flat in Hove. Jeremy Hunt forgot all about the SEVEN he owned! Still, as people have said, she is the Housing Minister...almost as bad, you'd think, as the Tory Chancellor of the Exchequer "overlooking" that he owed HMRC the thick end of £5 million.

" she's a strong woman with principles"
Thanks, Cronesrule, for the best laugh of the day !!

Babamaman

She has been totally stupid! If in any doubt she should have over paid the tax and then if an error has occurred claim the excess back!
A deputy prime minister
A housing minister
She could have queried everything with the ethics committee! Check and double check!?
This was blatant stupidity!
Sorry but whoever gave the advice are totally incompetent! I really don’t have any sympathy as the higher politicians get the more stupid and privileged they get!
Do as I say not as I do? Maybe she’ll appreciate just how general public feel with all the minefields in tax affairs!
Sorry find it very difficult to feel sorry for her.
And even sadder the my MP Peter Kyle (Hove MP) has slated everyone who has spoken out against her!
Sorry but privilège at its worst!

Do you agree that Peter Kyle is a pretty good constituency MP ( along with being a decent person) so maybe he has a point?

I’ve read many within the Labour Party have been briefing against Angela Rayner.

Someone in Labour (can’t recall who, it was last night) said “this has to have come from one of us. Angela would never have shared x & y with a Tory”.

Knives are sharpening even from within. Jockeying for position, promoting their favourites etc. obviously media hounds listen to all snippets - whatever the Westminster source.

Totally agree

She has been totally stupid! If in any doubt she should have over paid the tax and then if an error has occurred claim the excess back!
A deputy prime minister
A housing minister
She could have queried everything with the ethics committee! Check and double check!?
This was blatant stupidity!
Sorry but whoever gave the advice are totally incompetent! I really don’t have any sympathy as the higher politicians get the more stupid and privileged they get!
Do as I say not as I do? Maybe she’ll appreciate just how general public feel with all the minefields in tax affairs!
Sorry find it very difficult to feel sorry for her.
And even sadder the my MP Peter Kyle (Hove MP) has slated everyone who has spoken out against her!
Sorry but privilège at its worst!

I think she should resign because, as deputy PM, it is not a good look. I think she would be very valuable as a backbencher bencher.

Now she’ll know how others feel having to cough up an extra 40k for a second home! Being in government she should be whiter than white and know the rules regarding house ownership. Did someone say she was the housing Minister?
Definitely SACK her

Why hasnt she started proceedings to sue the law firm who allegedly gave her ‘unsound’ advice?

Newspaper reports?
m.youtube.com/watch?v=OJh9ui11mP4

doodledog People really should be careful about what they say about public figures who may end up forced out of public office and have nothing to lose by prosecuting

Quite. A piece of advice I’ve always borne in mind is never to put anything in a letter that you wouldn’t want read out in court. The same goes for what you post online, as some are finding out.

My guess is that anyone from the labour government taking legal action against MN might not be the wisest political move at the moment, but judgement on that kind of thing isn't their strong point.
As I say I would point anyone to the Trump threads if they have worries about that.

Would you expect the Secretary of State for Health to know everything about running a hospital, a care home, could he do an operation to remove a gall bladder or remove cataracts? Would you be happy if he turned up in your GP surgery to do a few hours of work?

I would expect the Secretary of State for Anything to have immediate access to information concerning a particular enterprise he/she was involved in, particularly if it was personal, to check no misinformation was applied. Far easier for a S of S to gain top quality information than someone relying on the internet, the press or unknown professionals^

Doing a few hours work in a GP's surgery is not comparable at all; training and qualifications are needed and we all know AR has virtually none.
She has made some bad judgements in her life, one of which, I believe, is responsible for the mess she is in now. Bearing in mind the threat of libel/slander I shall not elaborate.

As for Non-Disclosure Agreements, there are ongoing concerns about the lack of transparency in procedures in family courts.

PoliticsNerd

growstuff

Bixiboo

Apparently so karmalady. It was reported on the news earlier. It seems to be a total mess and to me what she has done to her sons life care is 100% worse than the issue of whether she should remain as an MP.

This is libellous. No, she hasn't. She has ensured that he has a roof over his head for life.

People really do need to be careful about what they say. I believe mumsnet has been involved in the past when a judge ordered them to hand over the names, etc., of posters someone was taking a libel case against because of posts on MN.

Yes, that was the Gina Ford case, I believe, although someone may correct me if I'm mistaken. MN settled out of court, but had to disclose the personal details of those who had posted defamatory and personal attacks, as well as inaccuracies about Ms Ford.

People really should be careful about what they say about public figures who may end up forced out of public office and have nothing to lose by prosecuting.

foxie48

"They rely on advice to guide them through their roles,"
This is what I said in my post, nowhere have I suggested a minister should be using civil servants etc to advise them on their private matters like buying a home!

I was responding to Allira (I think). The quoting system on GN isn't very consistent, so it's sometimes confusing. I'm not even sure now who made that comment originally.

growstuff

Allira

AR is not a lawyer

As I pointed out a while ago, her boss is!

Of course, that is what civil servants are for but I doubt that they were involved, she would have gone to an independent solicitor just as any of us would if involved in house sale and purchase.

Keir Starmer is a human rights lawyer. He won't know much about complicated trust law.

I do realise that housing matters are not his field of expertise and that Ms Rayner would have sought independent legal advice. I wonder how much she paid, because it wasn't very good.

"They rely on advice to guide them through their roles,"
This is what I said in my post, nowhere have I suggested a minister should be using civil servants etc to advise them on their private matters like buying a home!

Iam64

Primrose, it’s my understanding that the Family Court made the NDA. It’s possible to make an emergency application which is heard that day. I assume that’s what happened here.
It seems you didn’t know this and again, assumed dodgy dealings

Would you think that it was made because AR's son is a minor and it would have been automatic?