Reform supporting anti-vaxxers

Quote Kandinsky Sun 07-Sept-25 09:55:20
This is the confusion Maremia - there have been plenty of negativity around the vaccine from day one, but I went ahead because basically the government scared me into it. It was almost like. ‘If you don’t have the vaccine you’ll die’

It’s interesting that the NHS are only offering the Covid vaccine to the over 75’s now. I doubt younger people needed so many covid vaccines.

Younger people had them at the height of the pandemic to protect older contacts, I believe. A younger person in our family refused the vaccine, got Covid, & passed it on to us. Luckily we had been vaccinated and weren’t too badly affected but could have been a lot worse. Remember the ‘Covid parties’? Some younger people died after those. Covid is now endemic in the population and less acutely dangerous. However there is a nasty variant going round now and as I’m not yet 75 I’m sad that I won’t get vaccinated.

Aseem Malhotra is a cardiologist and was not an anti-vaxer when both he and his father took the covid vaccine. Then his father had a heart attack after he had the shot, which sadly killed him. Malhotra then decided to investigate further and when he started to ask questions and put his head above the parapet, the establishment didnt like it - hence the subsequent furore and attempts to blacken his name.
But as many are now aware, heart issues, myocarditis, pericarditis, cardiac arrests, have been a serious side effect of the jab, alongside other illnesses. Many of us know someone who has been affected.

I think I nothing comes without risk and we do need to count vaccines in that, as an acceptable level of risk. Every treatment for an ailment comes with risk from paracetamol to surgery. There is no way to eliminate it.

I often wonder if those who react badly to a vaccine may in fact be those who would have had a much more severe reaction to the illness itself.

A mix of intermittent WiFi and a family event means I haven't read or replied to this, I'll look through later.

I am so shocked by today's headlines, which don't include the link I posted but do include the inevitable Daily Fail trumpeting Nadine Dorries urging Boris and Farage to unite to defeat Labour. It's all hyperbole of course but honestly, where are we headed?!

Thank you westendgirl 👏 no we certainly don't want to go down that route!

Yes, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Is an anti-vaxer

Jerome Adams recently said there was confused vaccine policy and "chaos" at the Centre for Disease Control - he thinks Kennedy should be sacked.

There is another post about the covid jabs

I thought the title of the OP was Reform supporting anti vaxxers.Therefore the posts have come way off .Can we get back to the original theme please.
The last thing that is needed is surely support of anti-vaxxers by anybody There were worrying articles last week about the poor take up of the MMR. I wonder who arranged for that particular speaker at the conference. I have read that the Health secretary in America is completely anti vaccinations. Do we really want to go down that route?

I had long COVID, thankfully I'm better but still some issues. I've had all my COVID vaccinations and will continue to have them.

I think you are right about masks MaizieD and I bought all my family
N95 and respirator type masks to wear when going out - though some didn't wear them all the time.
I think we all did what we believe to be the best we could.

I spoke with friends in Italy and it sounded very scary. I am glad we took measures to avoid this (especially the first "wave") as much as possible.

Exactly - as I said above, he is NOT a medical doctor. The Dr designation is a PhD. He is not an expert and should not be presenting himself as such. He is a charlatan.

The gentleman in this case is a qualified nurse. That does not reference, as has already been stated, his moral or ethical standing.
Harold Shipman was qualified.
Everyone should accept, or refuse, the vaccinations offered to them as they wish, but we should use critical thinking when data is offered: some " experts' confuse anecdote and data.

When scientific research papers on Covid started to become available on line I read them. It became apparent that Covid attacks the immune system and can have a seriously damaging effect on any organ in the body. Which is unusual for the viruses we are accustomed to suffering from in Europe.

It seemed to me that there was equal personal risk attached to either having covid or having the covid vaccination. But there was a wider risk associated with having covid in that one could spread the virus further when it needed to be contained.

I've had all the covid vaccinations offered with no ill effect and so has my DH. There are so many other potential hazards to health in existence that it seems irrational to refuse one protective mechanism, the vaccine, when one could easily be adversely affected by any other of the extant hazards.

Of course, proper masking would have greatly reduced the risk of catching and spreading covid, but there were muddles over that and a vociferous anti-masking campaign in addition to the anti-vaxers...

I’ve never been offered the flu jab.
I’m in England btw. ( if that makes any difference? )

Kandinsky

I’ve never had the flu jab. I think the flu vaccine is only offered to people over 65?
( I’m 62 )

I have been getting the flu jab since I was 36. It’s the one jab I will get this year for sure. I’ve had flu, & Covid. Covid for me was nothing like the flu.

Caleo

There needs to be an intelligible and entertaining public information campaign concerning vaccination.

Kandinsky, a poster to Gransnet, is clearly misinformed and she is not the only one.

Oh btw, are you an expert on these vaccines?

sassenach512
People generally believe what they want to believe. There are parents who still think the MMR causes autism, 25 years on from proving it doesn’t.
That’s nothing to do with Nigel Farage.

I’ve never had the flu jab. I think the flu vaccine is only offered to people over 65?
( I’m 62 )

Fair enough Caleo, but they should still have that choice without the fear of being sacked.
I am, btw, not an anti-vaxxer, I was practically breaking down the surgery door to get my first vaccine. I became so ill from the first AZ.
I do believe in children having all their vaccines for sure.
I myself had a TB jab at five, people in my family with TB at the time. So yes vaccines do save lives.

My concern Kandinsky is that Forage will discourage vaccination as Trump is doing, nothing 'lazy' about that (rude by the way) we're already seeing a drop in various other immunisations which is worrying especially in children.
Presumably you have a flu jab every year? each one a different variant like COVID? are you worried about that too?

I’m just concerned I had 4 vaccines in 3 years. That’s a lot.

Every time you have a covid vaccination you are being protected from a new strain of the virus - just as with flu vaccines. So you have had 4 different vaccinations, not 4 the same. So it is not a lot - as the virus mutates we need new protection.

Please be clear that the Dr in Dr John Campbell is a PhD in nursing and NOT a medical qualification.

He speaks as a lay person in medical debates and his opinions are those of a lay person.

I am clear that vaccination programmes are one of the biggest public health successes of all time, second only to clean water supplies and sanitation.

Caleo
Various places over the years.
Even the NHS admit the vaccine has serious side effects ( admittedly rare ) in some people. But that’s true of any vaccine I know. I’m just concerned I had 4 vaccines in 3 years. That’s a lot.
I’m not ‘anti - vaccine’ - all my children have been vaccinated against MMR, my youngest child was born at the time when MMR was being linked to autism. I still went ahead & had him vaccinated.
I’m just worried about the covid vaccine.
Hopefully I’m worrying unnecessarily.

I wonder how much he was paid to speak?
I’ve had all the offered vaccinations and will continue to do so (had shingles one on Friday).

Kandinsky

This is nothing to do with Nigel Farage. This is about people’s concerns with the Covid vaccine. And people have had these concerns for a while now.
Stop trying to blame everything you don’t agree with on him. It’s lazy & adds nothing to the discussion.
For all you know he could have had 10 covid vaccines.

Okay. But where DO you source your opinions on vaccination from?