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Reform supporting anti-vaxxers

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Granatlast007 Sun 07-Sept-25 09:05:53

I note that any Guardian article appears to be carefully avoided by GN members, well you certainly won't see this on the BBC...

www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/sep/06/doctor-aseem-malhotra-reform-conference-speech-royal-family-cancer-covid-vaccine?

I find this terrifying. We are fast slipping towards a Trump like country of divisive slanging matches and carelessly thrown out slogans about 'stopping the boats', ditching net zero, overriding sound laws and established regulations. Do you people really want to live in the right wing destruction that is now the US?

Kandinsky Sun 07-Sept-25 11:21:29

This is nothing to do with Nigel Farage. This is about people’s concerns with the Covid vaccine. And people have had these concerns for a while now.
Stop trying to blame everything you don’t agree with on him. It’s lazy & adds nothing to the discussion.
For all you know he could have had 10 covid vaccines.

sassenach512 Sun 07-Sept-25 11:14:53

Let's not forget how Farage fair broke his neck to cosy up to Trump not that long ago.
As far as I'm concerned, he's using the same tactics, latching onto immigration and ultra right wing ideology to get into power.
He's an oportunist and people are falling for his rhetoric just like they did with Brexit.
Does anyone know what other policies he has lined up? all he talks about is immigration.
I can't stand his gurning grin, and I certainly wouldn't buy a second hand car from him that's for sure, I wouldn't trust him as far as I could fling him, as my old dad used to say

Caleo Sun 07-Sept-25 10:52:22

Mt61

Caleo

Nurses who worked among patients with acute infectious fevers would have died if they had not received any vaccinations they needed and which were available.

A nurse in our neighbourhood was practically forced to have that vaccine.
Even thought about quitting their job, as a result.

Nurses have a special duty to the public health, more so than most other citizens. Better that one or two nurses have their personal wishes ignored than that they spread Covid arounfd their patients .

Fartooold Sun 07-Sept-25 10:52:05

I am very tired of anti vaxxers these vaccines saved lives including my DC’s who would have probably not survived awful Covid!
Am quite concerned regarding the poor take up of children’s vaccines seeing children dying from whooping cough will stay with me forever. Sorry slightly off piste!

Caleo Sun 07-Sept-25 10:48:44

NotSpaghetti

I heard about this man on the radio some time ago.
Info is out there just not quite mainstream it seems to me.

This must have been about the time I noticed him:
www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jan/13/bbc-cardiologist-aseem-malhotra-links-covid-jabs-to-heart-disease-deaths

Thanks for the alert, Spaghetti!

Note that because a man is a doctor of medicine does not guarantee he is also reasonable or ethical.

To politicise public and personal health is not ethical. It 's downright immoral!

Mt61 Sun 07-Sept-25 10:47:06

Caleo

Nurses who worked among patients with acute infectious fevers would have died if they had not received any vaccinations they needed and which were available.

A nurse in our neighbourhood was practically forced to have that vaccine.
Even thought about quitting their job, as a result.

Galaxy Sun 07-Sept-25 10:45:25

I think across many countries there was over reach in terms of the vaccine.
There were many mistakes made during the pandemic, some of it was authoritarian, and whilst I understand some of the reasons for that, it will of course cause an opposite reaction. I am ashamed I didn't do enough questioning during that time.

Mt61 Sun 07-Sept-25 10:43:59

I think it was rushed out & not tested long enough.
So ill after the first AZ. Pfizer, not better off that. Had four. Won’t be having any more.

Kandinsky Sun 07-Sept-25 10:41:02

Iam64

Sorry to hear you’re not well at the moment. I hope you feel better very soon flowers

Caleo Sun 07-Sept-25 10:40:01

There needs to be an intelligible and entertaining public information campaign concerning vaccination.

Kandinsky, a poster to Gransnet, is clearly misinformed and she is not the only one.

Caleo Sun 07-Sept-25 10:36:25

Nurses who worked among patients with acute infectious fevers would have died if they had not received any vaccinations they needed and which were available.

LizzieDrip Sun 07-Sept-25 10:28:18

Kandinsky

I don’t know what to believe anymore regarding the Covid vaccine - but I won’t be having any more & regret the 4 I’ve already had.

Your choice! No-one is forcing you to have any more vaccines. Please yourself!

Iam64 Sun 07-Sept-25 10:18:09

The government didn’t scare us into taking the vaccine. We had choice, most of us could see the damage Covid was causing and got vaccinated. The aim to protect ourselves and others.

The current variant is causing some to be very ill. Long Covid life changing.

The fact so many of us are vaccinated seems to help prevent serious infection,

I’m very ill currently with a viral infection, wish there’d been a vaccine to prevent it

grumppa Sun 07-Sept-25 10:10:57

Malhotra's speech was fully reported in the Sunday Times, too.

Jane43 Sun 07-Sept-25 10:04:52

Reform seem to emulate everything the Trump administration do.

Maremia Sun 07-Sept-25 10:02:30

Hearing about my much younger, and very fit, cousin in law struggling for months to survive, yes intubation, the whole works, bless the NHS, scared me into taking the vaccine.

Kandinsky Sun 07-Sept-25 09:55:20

This is the confusion Maremia - there have been plenty of negativity around the vaccine from day one, but I went ahead because basically the government scared me into it. It was almost like. ‘If you don’t have the vaccine you’ll die’

It’s interesting that the NHS are only offering the Covid vaccine to the over 75’s now. I doubt younger people needed so many covid vaccines.

karmalady Sun 07-Sept-25 09:53:23

kadinsky you can help yourself via epigenetics. The mrna vaccines have gene altering material in them and are a completely different concept to the old vaccines, which targeted single diseases locally ie the vaccine stayed put and allowed the immune system to do its job

Maremia Sun 07-Sept-25 09:52:22

Why not also look up the Wikipedia page for the now debunked Doctor John Campbell.

LizzieDrip Sun 07-Sept-25 09:52:10

PaynesGrey

The BBC are reporting it:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c62z4rd87nlo

Just one of the mad people speaking at the conference this weekend.

And, of course, Reform UK are now distancing themselves from what Malholtra said.

They should rename themselves RowingBack UK.

Reform’s ‘get out’ is that they don’t necessarily endorse the anti-vaxer’s views, but they “do believe in free speech”.

Of course they do!

I wonder where they draw the line … do they have a line? Is anyone saying anything acceptable?

I find this entire scenario very frightening.

Maremia Sun 07-Sept-25 09:49:07

But not worried about what Covid may have done? Death, long covid?

Kandinsky Sun 07-Sept-25 09:48:28

Because it could be years before the long term effects are fully known.

Kandinsky Sun 07-Sept-25 09:46:06

I’m constantly going to worry about what ( potential ) damage the Covid vaccine has done to me & my family - & indeed to everyone else.
It’s really worrying.

karmalady Sun 07-Sept-25 09:43:17

An eminent consultant cardiologist via Dr John Campbell

www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEgAi1TK99o

I am a scientist and gave up on mrna vaccines quite some time ago. I too got sucked into the covid vaccine hype in the early days and also regret the few I did have.

PaynesGrey Sun 07-Sept-25 09:38:33

The BBC are reporting it:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c62z4rd87nlo

Just one of the mad people speaking at the conference this weekend.

And, of course, Reform UK are now distancing themselves from what Malholtra said.

They should rename themselves RowingBack UK.