Let’s get real about migration

silverlining48

But unless things have changed, there isn’t a legal way to turn up here, otherwise people would save their £££££££ and use the money to fly in.

Our NHS and care system relies on legal migrants Silverlining48

They apply through the correct channels.

StripeyGran

Primrose53

StripeyGran

I really don't undertand why it is OK for some people to migrate to Spain or France but not OK for others to want to and try to come here.

I simply don't believe every newcomer has thrown his or her ID away, so that won't wash.

Not difficult to understand!
People who emigrate to Spain and France do so legally and have sufficient money to buy a home there or rent.
They are not a drain on their chosen countries resources.

How can people be anything other than a drain, if they are not allowed to work?

Do you honestly believe there is a pot of money labeled " DENTISTS" and all the people who arrive here have their hands in that pot?
Do you think it could be slightly more complicated than that?

You asked a question about something you did not understand.
I answered truthfully.
I never mentioned Dentists.

I came here as a baby from Germany just after the war. We lived in an area of London which had suffered bombing, but the neighbours were friendly and kind.
Credit to those decent people also to my mum who worked til she was 75 and always loved this country.

StripeyGran

Primrose53

StripeyGran

I really don't undertand why it is OK for some people to migrate to Spain or France but not OK for others to want to and try to come here.

I simply don't believe every newcomer has thrown his or her ID away, so that won't wash.

Not difficult to understand!
People who emigrate to Spain and France do so legally and have sufficient money to buy a home there or rent.
They are not a drain on their chosen countries resources.

How can people be anything other than a drain, if they are not allowed to work?

Do you honestly believe there is a pot of money labeled " DENTISTS" and all the people who arrive here have their hands in that pot?
Do you think it could be slightly more complicated than that?

You must know full well that there is no country in the world where you can turn up illegally, with no money behind you and be allowed to work. Australia, for example, will not take in anybody who is likely to be a drain on their country. They regularly threaten to deport people who have lived there for years but have serious illnesses or disabilities who cannot support themselves.

I was using the Dentist as an example of perceived injustice.
It is very hard to find one and to pay for one. So it is often raised as unfair that newcomers "jump the queue"

I was suggesting that things are not quite as simple.

silverlining48

But unless things have changed, there isn’t a legal way to turn up here, otherwise people would save their £££££££ and use the money to fly in.

Exactly silverlining.

Currently, those fleeing war, hunger, torture and oppression have to physically be on UK soil before they can apply for asylum in the UK.

Only two visa routes exist - for people from Ukraine and those from Afghanistan who helped the UK forces (although that’s somewhat moot really).

Anyone else fleeing war, hunger, torture and oppression is ‘forced’ into a dangerous boat crossing by the current system!

If the government enabled people to apply for asylum from another country, the boat crossings might stop tomorrow!

Why doesn’t the government do it - I have no idea🤷‍♀️

silverlining48

I came here as a baby from Germany just after the war. We lived in an area of London which had suffered bombing, but the neighbours were friendly and kind.
Credit to those decent people also to my mum who worked til she was 75 and always loved this country.

The problems I have with the rubber boats are the obscene amounts of money the criminal gangs are earning on other peoples misery.

Three people drowned in the last 24 hours and another three are missing.

Each death is one too many.

How many more deaths before Europe gets its act together and finds a solution…

Canada and Sweden may grant immediate work permission.

I expect there are others.

Cossy

silverlining48

T he vast majority of immigrants here are legal working or studying or been offered group asylum by the government, Hong Kong, Ukraine and some from Afghanistan.
The people who are desperate enough to risk their lives squeezed into these flimsy overloaded Plastic boats are a tiny percentage of immigrants, am thinking 3.5%. Yet all the anger and chatter is on these people. A woman and two children in separate incidents died today. RIP.

👏👏👏👏👏

👏 too.

You must know full well that there is no country in the world where you can turn up illegally, with no money behind you and be allowed to work

And you know full well that you are wrong.

How many more deaths before Europe gets its act together and finds a solution…

Suggested solution in my post above!

StripeyGran

Canada and Sweden may grant immediate work permission.

I expect there are others.

I have just googled and the important word in your post is may

LizzieDrip

^How many more deaths before Europe gets its act together and finds a solution…^

Suggested solution in my post above!

I have advocated for an asylum route through our overseas Embassies or similar for years, but have had it pointed out to me on here that it would not be possible 🤷‍♀️

In Portugal, asylum seekers have the right to work from the moment their asylum application is lodged and registered, as confirmed by an amendment to the Asylum Act in 2022

Wyllow3

People who say "oh I dont recognise this country anymore" are indeed ignoring the past as waves of immigrants from different countries cam there - and we went "there" (like mass migration by the poor to the USA from the UK and Ireland)

I love my multi racial city. it gives colour and variety to life. I dont want same old same old ye olde country village. I got to a gym that is multiracial, the workers there and the customers. I shop in supermarkets where there are many backgrounds and languages. it enriches me. whats not to like?

Just tonight I was at the gym practicing yoga next to a lady that was making nearly the same moves as me, and I've been doing it for nearly 50 years now. she has a bad back, I showed her a couple of things. she is a cleaner at the gym. later we were moved on by a class starting but she came up to me and asked for a session. she's got natural talent to an extraordinary level.

She came from Eritrea. I didn't ask her about the horrors she escaped, or how she got here

(As a Christian, it could well have been a church scheme).

We had a great laugh as well as discussing inter-cultural matters. her back ground and skin colour made no difference whatsoever.

Whats not to like?

She is a talented caring lady (had first worked in a care home)

(my guess had had a good education before escaping (the level of concepts she understood, if not all the exact words).

So to those who desperately cling to "us" and "them' - open your eyes and heart, and ...enjoy.

Like many others she has so much to give, and a rich ness of experience we can learn from, as she can from us.

👏👏👏👏👏

StripeyGran

*You must know full well that there is no country in the world where you can turn up illegally, with no money behind you and be allowed to work*

And you know full well that you are wrong.

If you mean do Uber Eats, Just eats, Deliveroo, car washes, nail bars, hospitality etc, hire people before they are entitled to work, then you are correct.

As illustrated by Panorama and other documentary programmes.

StripeyGran

*In Portugal, asylum seekers have the right to work from the moment their asylum application is lodged and registered, as confirmed by an amendment to the Asylum Act in 2022*

They do have to wait until they receive a declaration of application

Oreo

We need properly controlled legal immigration, which should mean trying hard to weed out fake documents, stop as much as possible giving out ‘student’ visas for those from India and Nigeria who often come with dependents and never go home.
Monitor the visas given out for work purposes or study purposes and deport if they’ve outstayed their time.

I don’t know anyone, online or in person, who would argue with you here.

The deterioration of the UK is the result of incompetent politicians in government and the failure of the UK economy to grow sufficiently to generate enough tax to pay for public services.

Immigrants over many years going back to the Hugeunots have made important contributions to the economy. Brexit damaged that and much else. As an ageing society we need immigration to provide young workers.

Most of the animus against immigration is driven by Farage, Reform, the right wing press, racist thugs, etc., and is entirely disproportionate to the numbers of boat refugees, most of whom qualify for asylum.

Historically immigration has benefited society as a whole but ut has usually been the case that the lowest socioeconomic group have lost out in the jobs and housing markets.

Grantanow

The deterioration of the UK is the result of incompetent politicians in government and the failure of the UK economy to grow sufficiently to generate enough tax to pay for public services.

Immigrants over many years going back to the Hugeunots have made important contributions to the economy. Brexit damaged that and much else. As an ageing society we need immigration to provide young workers.

Most of the animus against immigration is driven by Farage, Reform, the right wing press, racist thugs, etc., and is entirely disproportionate to the numbers of boat refugees, most of whom qualify for asylum.

Historically immigration has benefited society as a whole but ut has usually been the case that the lowest socioeconomic group have lost out in the jobs and housing markets.

Well said!

GrannyGravy13

StripeyGran

*In Portugal, asylum seekers have the right to work from the moment their asylum application is lodged and registered, as confirmed by an amendment to the Asylum Act in 2022*

They do have to wait until they receive ^a declaration of application^

Gosh , you really are on it this morning. Well done you.

StripeyGran

GrannyGravy13

StripeyGran

*In Portugal, asylum seekers have the right to work from the moment their asylum application is lodged and registered, as confirmed by an amendment to the Asylum Act in 2022*

They do have to wait until they receive ^a declaration of application^

Gosh , you really are on it this morning. Well done you.

My entire house is currently a building site, I am confined to the kitchen until I go out to the hairdressers.

GN is like opium to the bored…

Important to have all the facts StripeyGran isn’t it?

www.infomigrants.net/en/post/60049/channel-crossings-why-britain-cannot-simply-send-back-migrants

This helps explain the “why” around small boats being turned around and sent back to France, it’s not just about UK law, that is preventing us “shipping them straight back to France”

Or catnip😄