Peter Mandelson - Epstein . Should Starmer sack him?

Really,

Anniebach

Quote AGAA4 Fri 12-Sept-25 11:28:35
Keir Starmer and David Lammy were both made aware of Mandelson's dubious past but still appointed him in a key role.
I wonder how many people would get an important job in other walks of life with a history like his.
I didn't vote labour but hoped for better.

Which part of his past ?

Which part of his past ?

Parts, not part.

He has twice been sacked from Ministerial posts.
He failed to declare a loan for a house from a fellow MP and was sacked as Northern Ireland Secretary.
Helping a billionaire obtain a British passport.

Quote AGAA4 Fri 12-Sept-25 11:28:35
Keir Starmer and David Lammy were both made aware of Mandelson's dubious past but still appointed him in a key role.
I wonder how many people would get an important job in other walks of life with a history like his.
I didn't vote labour but hoped for better.

Which part of his past ?

This month we have had the trio of Putin, Jinping and Ung and now Epstein, Trump and Mandelson.
All thoroughly despicable excuses for men.

I didn't vote for Labour because I suspected they would mess up an already messed up country even more but hell's bells, they have outdone themselves and we're only just into their second year.

Keir Starmer and David Lammy were both made aware of Mandelson's dubious past but still appointed him in a key role.
I wonder how many people would get an important job in other walks of life with a history like his.
I didn't vote labour but hoped for better.

A complete lack of shame, particularly in view of Labour's continuous attack on Conservative values and their claiming of the moral high ground.

I'm inclined to agree eazybee
It really is quite astonishing; we were expecting less sleaze, more decent values and more concern for ordinary citizens but instead it's just a continuation of the political scandals we had become accustomed to over the past few years.

What astonished me about Mandelson's appointment as Ambassador seven months ago was the fact that, publicly disgraced twice for inappropriate conduct, he should consider himself suitable for such a high-ranking appointment, let alone Starmer and Morgan McSweeny. It seems that they chose him because they thought he would be able to work well with Trump; his own lack of morality counting for nothing. But it has come back to bite them.

The same applies to Lucy Powell, disgraced for unpleasant comments in the House, sacked from her post, immediately applies for one of the highest. appointments in the Labour party.
A complete lack of shame, particularly in view of Labour's continuous attack on Conservative values and their claiming of the moral high ground.
Labour is a democratically elected government with a large majority and four years to go; their disastrous first year and the infighting and factions developing within its ranks which so damaged the Conservatives does not bode well for their future and that of the country.

Iam64

Several years ago, I watched a documentary produced by James Patterson the author, called Filthy Rich
Patterson was a neighbour of Epstein in Palm Beach. He became concerned about the number of under age girls coming and going from Epstein’s house. This was instrumental in the investigation leading to his conviction

Pity Keir Starmer didn’t watch it

Perhpas he did.

For me now, I have doubts about Sir Kier Starmer.

Iam I have not said he shouldn’t be sacked, I spoke of the use of ‘Mandy’, his letters to Epstein troubles me much, something unknown

Anniebach, as I acknowledged upthread, I saw the potential benefits of the appointment as ambassador. Mandelson’s undoubted dark arts and ability to engage with people seen as a possible advantage in today’s Whitehouse. I’d seen photographs of him with Epstein along with Trump, Clinton and other influential rich people. I assumed due diligence meant he’d been cleared by security services

I haven’t forgotten the positves, or negatives that go with Mandelson’s contribution to the Labour Party

I haven’t forgotten the life long damage Epstein caused to hundreds of girls and women. I knew Mandelson must be sacked when I heard him telling a journalist that as a gay man, with his partner, staying at Epstein’s house he failed to see concerns about the girls. I’m paraphrasing but it’s now been widely reported. Subsequently, Mandelson’s refusal to see Epstein’s admission to soliciting a girl if 14 for sex as wrong, to email advice and continue to support and develop friendship with a convicted sex offender has been made public.

Mandelson’s apology to the victims is meaningless. What was happening under his nose was similar to our so called grooming gangs, just a bit more upmarket

Not much concerned about his sexuality? Why any concern

And it was Mandelson who was sacked in/resigned in 1998 for not declaring interest free loan from Geoffrey Robinson; later Robinson said Mandelson had lied to Parliament and both lost their jobs.
2001 Resigned second time for allegations of attempting to influence passport application of rich Indian businessman under investigation by Indian Government.
As UK's European Commissioner there was a conflict of loyalties over a E.U.pension he received2004.
2009 given title and entered House of Lords.
2011 intensive lobbying campaign from Universal Music Group, approved 2 months before public consultation completed.
2021 Advising Starmer against Corbyn.
2024 appointed Ambassador to USA.
2025 sacked from post due to connection and support for Epstein involving negotiating a business deal after his conviction and disgrace.

No-one is much concerned about his sexuality; it is his unsavoury dealings using his position and influence throughout his political life for financial gain.

Why do some choose to speak of Peter Mandelson as Mandy ? Why mock again the time he was outed, it was brutal, he had kept his private life private. Suddenly he was Mandy the homosexual , he was outed on BBC Newsnight,.
Seems long time Labour supporters have forgotten it was Mandelson with Blair and Brown who gave New Labour 3 consecutive general election wins, Mandelson who spoke of the disaster of a Corbyn leadership. Criticising now ok, but lay out outing him again.

Applegran

Lord Gus O'Donnell? A wise man with experience of government, with integrity, good values, impressive, not much ego.......?

Yes, I agree, but please don't inflict that job on him!!

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Yes, as I said upthread, I think Mandy had a crush on Epstein.

I said the same to DH and those emails raised their heads.

More worrying is that KS really is getting this totally wrong he supported Louise Haigh - until she resigned
He supported Rayner - she resigned a day later
He supported Mandelson - he resigned.
What is wrong with the man we could all see it, they were all indefensible. Is KS so surrounded by advisors who really haven't got a clue, they are serious underestimate the general public.

Makes you wonder who will go next?

Several years ago, I watched a documentary produced by James Patterson the author, called Filthy Rich
Patterson was a neighbour of Epstein in Palm Beach. He became concerned about the number of under age girls coming and going from Epstein’s house. This was instrumental in the investigation leading to his conviction

Pity Keir Starmer didn’t watch it

MaizieD

woodenspoon

I wonder if they were in a relationship? It all seems very strange, the love expressed etc. we will never know.

TBH, the thought of a relationship hadn't really crossed my mind, but that very creepy letter made me wonder if PM was a bit in love with him.

Or was he like that with everyone who was rich...

It’s over the top. We love you he said. I can’t think of any man I know in my family who’d write that to another man, colleague etc. I think there’s more to it than we know. Perhaps there was a relationship, bisexual etc. makes you wonder and nothing would surprise me.

Yes, as I said upthread, I think Mandy had a crush on Epstein.

Yes perhaps that was an example of his skills as a negotiator.

woodenspoon

I wonder if they were in a relationship? It all seems very strange, the love expressed etc. we will never know.

TBH, the thought of a relationship hadn't really crossed my mind, but that very creepy letter made me wonder if PM was a bit in love with him.

Or was he like that with everyone who was rich...

I wonder if they were in a relationship? It all seems very strange, the love expressed etc. we will never know.

Most definitely. Always thought he was a creep. And was christened as The Prince of Darkness by the press years ago.

Starmer should do us a all a favour and fire himself at the same time.

Just put the Tele on. BBC news reports say Mandelson has been sacked.

Hip Hop Hooray.

🦹👹💩👍

Lord Gus O'Donnell? A wise man with experience of government, with integrity, good values, impressive, not much ego.......?

I know we have to maintain our relationship with America but ….. an experienced ambassador skilled and brave enough to clash with the Whitehouse, that would be something

Even without Hugh Grant

Sir Richard Moore, next Ambassador to the USA??
Expected to step down from his role as the head of MI6 at the end of September, Sir Richard Moore could work well with American intelligence, but might clash with the White House over the war in Ukraine.