Peter Mandelson - Epstein . Should Starmer sack him?

fancythat

Anniebach

Iam I have not said he shouldn’t be sacked, I spoke of the use of ‘Mandy’, his letters to Epstein troubles me much, something unknown

I dont think you have said he should, either.

I’ve read my post that led to your response pointing out you hadn’t said he shouldn’t have been sacked. I can’t see that I suggested you had.
I was trying to stress my concern remains Mandelson’s support to Epstein, his dismissal of the guilty plea and prison sentence. Mandelson being gay is irrelevant to me, other than when he used it in his recent interview with the Sun, as an attempt to explain why he saw nothing of concern about all those young girls..
apologies for any misunderstanding

Quote fancythat Fri 12-Sept-25 22:40:05
Anniebach
Iam I have not said he shouldn’t be sacked, I spoke of the use of ‘Mandy’, his letters to Epstein troubles me much, something unknown

I dont think you have said he should, either.

I think you may be correct

Anniebach

Iam I have not said he shouldn’t be sacked, I spoke of the use of ‘Mandy’, his letters to Epstein troubles me much, something unknown

I dont think you have said he should, either.

eazybee

What astonished me about Mandelson's appointment as Ambassador seven months ago was the fact that, publicly disgraced twice for inappropriate conduct, he should consider himself suitable for such a high-ranking appointment, let alone Starmer and Morgan McSweeny. It seems that they chose him because they thought he would be able to work well with Trump; his own lack of morality counting for nothing. But it has come back to bite them.

The same applies to Lucy Powell, disgraced for unpleasant comments in the House, sacked from her post, immediately applies for one of the highest. appointments in the Labour party.
A complete lack of shame, particularly in view of Labour's continuous attack on Conservative values and their claiming of the moral high ground.
Labour is a democratically elected government with a large majority and four years to go; their disastrous first year and the infighting and factions developing within its ranks which so damaged the Conservatives does not bode well for their future and that of the country.

Good comment.

Oh I have done.
Cannot bear either of them.

Ive been reading that Emily Thornberrys committee wanted to raise questions before his appointment was confirmed but they were told they couldn’t. Also he is/was Morgan McSweeneys mentor and he pushed Starmer to appoint him. Hmmmm……

eazybee

^The Rest is politics.^

The programme presented by Alastair Campbell?

That says it all.

Do you actually listen to it?

The Rest is politics.

The programme presented by Alastair Campbell?

That says it all.

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On this issue I view mandelsson and Trump as exactly the same. That is why it was a terrible decision.

Interesting discussion about Mandelson on the latest The Rest is Politics. I agree that I don’t understand why people like him keep re emerging politically when they’ve been disgraced but then again the inner world of politics is not a place for the faint hearted and I have no comprehension of what it must be like. And Starmer needed someone with his sort of experience to deal with Trump ( who has cast a shadow over our country since he was elected).

Quote Eloethan Fri 12-Sept-25 14:37:42
Why do you argue about everything anniebach? I accept that there are certain issues on which the degree of transgression might be into account. But surely a man glorifying and accepting the hospitality of someone who has used vulnerable girls in order to build his sordid empire and pleasure his disgusting friends, should not be given a plum job representing our country? Not to forget that Mandelson had previously been involved in some shady dealings and had had to resign.

How is it that these people get to lie low for a few years and then appear back on the scene, eg Jeffrey Archer and Liam Fox. Jeffrey Archer in particular was sent to prison for perjury.

These people! what do they have in common? three friends with a peodophile , commited perjury, breach of the ministerial code ?
I do not argue about everything, I questioned at times if something doesn’t seem factual

Well we kind of have to have some agreement on morality or anything would be OK.

Why do you argue about everything anniebach? I accept that there are certain issues on which the degree of transgression might be into account. But surely a man glorifying and accepting the hospitality of someone who has used vulnerable girls in order to build his sordid empire and pleasure his disgusting friends, should not be given a plum job representing our country? Not to forget that Mandelson had previously been involved in some shady dealings and had had to resign.

How is it that these people get to lie low for a few years and then appear back on the scene, eg Jeffrey Archer and Liam Fox. Jeffrey Archer in particular was sent to prison for perjury.

Quote Anniebach Fri 12-Sept-25 13:56:15
Questions of morality, what level, who would decide ?
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Oh they shouldn’t have someone like him in the H of L. What sort of an example does that set ?

Who to decide on levels of morality?

Oh they shouldn’t have someone like him in the H of L. What sort of an example does that set ?

Questions of morality, what level, who would decide ?

Anniebach, Andrew has been banned from all public life.
Mandelson is apparently to resume his seat in the House of Lords, as part of the Government.

It is time that legislation was passed to prevent those with criminal convictions and/or dubious morals to be barred from continuing to sit in the Lords. Jeffrey Archer was enough - do we have to now watch PM making decisions that affect us all, when we know exactly what he is?

I see no need to even consider whether Prince Andrew or Mandelson has the closer relationship with Epstein. Both showed us who they are by continuing the share homes and holidays with Epstein, after his conviction for soliciting a 14 year old girl for prostitution.

Quote eazybee Fri 12-Sept-25 13:35:09
I based my disapproval of Mandelson's appointment on his behaviour while in British Government and his dubious financial dealings; I had no idea of his close relationship with Epstein, which seems far worse than Prince Andrew's connection. Yet it appears he is fighting back against his dismissal and is planning to return to the House of Lords.
What IS Starmer doing? What else is going to emerge?

Read the new book on Andrew

I based my disapproval of Mandelson's appointment on his behaviour while in British Government and his dubious financial dealings; I had no idea of his close relationship with Epstein, which seems far worse than Prince Andrew's connection. Yet it appears he is fighting back against his dismissal and is planning to return to the House of Lords.
What IS Starmer doing? What else is going to emerge?

Karen Pierce was doing well in the role before Mandelson soanother unwise choice by Starmer. At this rate we will have a GE long before the 4 years are up.

Babs03 what kind of investigation? We know Trump, Clinton, and many other powerful men were regular fliers on the Lolitaplane
Trump is Potus despit3 that and other sex scandals.

Isn’t it interesting, the only lead player in jail is a woman

In light of Mandelson’s close relationship with Epstein, isn’t an investigation in order? Or is that too much to ask seeing as the man must have the goods on several high ranking individuals here and in the US.
I personally feel very disturbed by how chummy he was with Epstein, obviously going to his holiday villa as well as his home and certainly witnessing what was going on there. Then again I believe Bill Clinton was also once a guest of Epstein.
These men make me feel sick to my stomach.